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I'd like to step in on Harwood Butcher and the sarcasm, the name of the forum section is called Serious Chat, I'd really appreciate if you wouldn't use all the sarcasm you claim to. Thanks, -Sky

I get paid more than a number of guys at my job and I also have a higher position than them. As for rights, I think it's bullshit when women try to push rights when it comes to certain things, like playing in a men's league. Most women are much smaller and more fragile than guys are. It's not our fault, we were just made that way, so it pisses me off when some woman complains that they wont let her in a men's league when the men would bash her into the boards and break every bone in her body. I also think it's bullshit how a woman can beat a guy up and no one says anything but when a man hits a woman, he's the ultimate asshole. No one should hit, period. It doesn't make it right to hit just because it's a woman doing it. In my opinion, if some bitch is going to hit a guy, she deserves what she gets.

Bitching? It's a forum. I'm expressing my concerns like everybody else here. And you ignored my point. I can't afford to move country, we're not all rich here you know. If your way of overcoming problems is to just move country all the time then 1) you're gonna have to move country alot in your life and 2) congrats for having the money to be able to have the pleasure of doing so.

Stop trying to get attention, it's getting pretty annoying. And Harwood Butcher you say she went around your point, look what you just did - she gave you proof (if you believe it, which you should, she has no reason to lie), and now you're telling her to move...

In NZ if you're 16 and over, you're classed as an adult and the minimum wage for you is the same as it is for an adult. Harwood B: Yeah moving is an option but New Zealand is very safe, and it's our home, we're not gonna just up and leave because of a few dollars. Nor can we afford to move anywhere else. Not every country has men getting paid more, but so many do unfortunately. Rainbow Bear: Agree 100%

People should be paid by the quality of work they provide, not their gender, race, sexual orientation etc etc...

If a women is getting abused and kills her husband she is likely to go to prison for life compared to a man who is abusing his wife and kills her. The courts are usually tougher on the women as they say its planned as a women couldn't possibly do it another way. Yet the abuser will get a much shorter sentence as it will be down as manslaughter as it wasnt premediated. Never mind all the abuse he subjected the women to. So no women don't get an easier time in the law when it comes to abuse. Why should men get paid more in certain jobs though? Whats the reasoning behind that? Is it to say that men should get paid more in the construction industry, yet women should get paid more in, oh I don't know? Whats very stereotypical? How about childcare? Everyone should get paid the same regardless of gender or race etc.

Harwood Butcher: Actually you're wrong. If a women is breating the crap out of a guy she WILL get arrested. It is allegal for males and females to physically harm someone. So if a man gets beat up by a woman, and doesn't fight back then he's doing the right thing because he won't get into a spot of trouble but she will. That saying, you're American, I don't know the laws there but I was under the impression that it's illegal for a woman to physically abuse a man. Also, I brought up "My mum and I both have jobs" because that's my proof right there. I know we get paid less because she gets paid less than the other guy who does the same job, it's always been that way and it's not fair. As you can see, i'm not the only person who thinks that, as you said, almost everyone else has brought up the "women get paid less" thing. It's not just me.

Harwood Butcher: So youre saying because you haven't seen proof, that women do get paid the same? I've got news for you mate, women do not get paid the same as men. I would know because I have a job. And my mother has a job. And what you said about hitting men/women, how women want to be treated special, that's bullshit. I want to be treated the same as men. No more, no less. It's because of the "men are superior" attitude that has caused hitting a woman to be punished more than hitting a man. Also because the majority of the time, men hit women more, and the majority of the time, men are stronger. Im not saying women are better and men are worse, infact people who know me in real life know i prefer guys, but because of the history between men/women sexual relations and the treatment towards women throughout history, these laws are harder on men. Bottom line, don't hit anyone and it shouldn't be such a problem for you.

People may say women are treated equally, ie: there's no segregation like there used to be for blacks etc but women are still not treated equally. We get paid less than men for starters. Don't forget how women are treated in many muslim cultures and in alot of african tribes, women come second, their "bits" are mutilated and women have to put up with their husbands having many partners. In some cultures women are stoned to death for trying to leave abusive husbands etc. So no sorry, anyone saying women are treated equal are wrong, maybe in western civilisation men and women have rights, but we have to consider the rest of the world.

Bold: Yeah, to me that doesn't make any sense at all. They want to be treated equally when it comes to work, but when it comes to things like that they want to be treated special. It's bullshit. People in this topic have been saying women get paid less for the same jobs, but I've never even seen proof of this.

I agree that women should have rights, but sometimes they just don't deserve to receive the same amount of money as men in some jobs.

Just like women should get more money than men for certain jobs.

Well maybe that deals with qualifications. Just because someone does a better job than someone doesn't always mean they should get paid more. If a guy just has an associates degree in a certain field and a women has a masters then she should get paid more. Well if you don't want to solve your problem then stop bitching. ...How did I go around what she said by agreeing and suggesting something that she should do???

...How did I go around what she said by agreeing and suggesting something that she should do??? So your changing your side of the argument then? I don't really understand where you stand... Well my side of the argument couldn't go any further since I can't disprove her "story". So I just left it at that and told her to move if that's how it is there. What was your point again? Well I have the money to do that because I'm a man, I make more monies.

So,What have you decided? Just vote in here.