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Family refuses to take daughter to a hospital before her death

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Vercetti Thug    2

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This just saddens me...apparently, a family thought it wise to pray for their dying daughter...without giving her medical attention at all from professionals. I believe in God, but God's ways are sometimes beyond our understanding. Anyway, discuss:

WAUSAU, Wisc. - The mother of an 11-year-old girl who died of undiagnosed diabetes as the family prayed for her to get better testified Tuesday that she believes sickness is caused by sin and can be cured by God.

Leilani Neumann told the jury in her husband's trial that she thought her daughter's March 2008 illness was a test of her religious faith and she didn't take the girl to a doctor because that would have been "complete disobedience to what we believe."

Dale Neumann, 47, is charged with second-degree reckless homicide in the 2008 death of his daughter Madeline Neumann, called Kara by her parents. His wife was convicted of the same charge this spring and faces up to 25 years in prison when sentenced Oct. 6.

Story continues below ↓ dap('&PG=NBCMSN&AP=1089','300','250');http://' target="_blank">Prosecutors contend Dale Neumann recklessly killed the youngest of his four children by ignoring her deteriorating health. They claim Neumann had a legal duty to take her to a doctor.

Leilani Neumann testified for nearly five hours Tuesday, describing the events leading up to her daughter's March 23, 2008, death on a mattress on the floor of the family's rural Weston home as people surrounded her and prayed. Someone called for help when she stopped breathing.

The mother said that she and her husband believed their daughter's deteriorating condition may have been the result of a falling out with another couple, and called them once the girl was unconscious and persuaded them to come pray for the girl.

Illness viewed as 'something spiritual'

The family does not belong to an organized religion, and Leilani Neumann said they have nothing against doctors. But, she said, she believes in spiritual healing and viewed Madeline's March 2008 illness as "something spiritual."

Leilani Neumann also said that she did not realize her daughter was seriously ill until the day before her death, when the girl was weak and pale and had trouble speaking.

"I asked her if she loved Jesus," the mother testified. "She might have said yes. I know for sure she was acknowledging it. What sounds came out, I don't remember. She was making noises. ... My focus definitely was to pray."

She said she never once believed the girl would die

"We thought even the lifelessness was something that she would come out of," the mother said. "Everything for us is about faith. It is about trusting in God. We either believe in God's word or we don't."

A pediatric expert on diabetes told the jury Monday that even right before her death, doctors might have been able to save the girl's life had she been brought to a hospital.

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Greensabre13.    7

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One thing: Faith without action is dead. The Lord never told us to just sit like ducks whenever someone is in need, right?

Indeed he didn't.

In this case, I would say that the hospital may have worked a better miracle than God.

God can't diagnose serious medical conditions. Doctors can.

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draftermatt    1

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Seriously, what faith preaches that illness is caused by sin, and that medical attention is good?

I thought we were supposed to try to live as the most precious gift is life!

Even the Pope goes to the doctor.

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Chris    246

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Absolutely fucking disgusting.

Redeeming factor: They're Christians, so they believe in hell. They must know for sure they're going there now, so they can shit themselves thinking about it everyday for the rest of their crappy lives.

Fuck me I'm glad I don't live in a particularly religious country. I couldn't deal with the amount of bullshit going on everywhere "because of religious reasons".

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_Ray    16

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What complete retards. Serves them wright for a 25 year jail time. God cant solve everyones problems.

Sure he can. Doesn't mean he chooses to.

Anyway, these people obviously aren't Christians. The Christian Science Belief

Absolutely fucking disgusting.

Redeeming factor: They're Christians, so they believe in hell. They must know for sure they're going there now, so they can shit themselves thinking about it everyday for the rest of their crappy lives.

Fuck me I'm glad I don't live in a particularly religious country. I couldn't deal with the amount of bullshit going on everywhere "because of religious reasons".

Not necessarily, because Christians believe that they can be saved if they ask for forgiveness and repent. (Granting that they actually do believe.....)

Edited by Raybob

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Ivan    20

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What complete retards. Serves them wright for a 25 year jail time. God cant solve everyones problems.

Sure he can. Doesn't mean he chooses to.

Anyway, these people obviously aren't Christians. The Christian Science Belief

Absolutely fucking disgusting.

Redeeming factor: They're Christians, so they believe in hell. They must know for sure they're going there now, so they can shit themselves thinking about it everyday for the rest of their crappy lives.

Fuck me I'm glad I don't live in a particularly religious country. I couldn't deal with the amount of bullshit going on everywhere "because of religious reasons".

Not necessarily, because Christians believe that they can be saved if they ask for forgiveness and repent. (Granting that they actually do believe.....)

Either God can't save anyone or he's a fucking sick bastard.

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_Ray    16

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What complete retards. Serves them wright for a 25 year jail time. God cant solve everyones problems.

Sure he can. Doesn't mean he chooses to.

Anyway, these people obviously aren't Christians. The Christian Science Belief

Absolutely fucking disgusting.

Redeeming factor: They're Christians, so they believe in hell. They must know for sure they're going there now, so they can shit themselves thinking about it everyday for the rest of their crappy lives.

Fuck me I'm glad I don't live in a particularly religious country. I couldn't deal with the amount of bullshit going on everywhere "because of religious reasons".

Not necessarily, because Christians believe that they can be saved if they ask for forgiveness and repent. (Granting that they actually do believe.....)

Either God can't save anyone or he's a fucking sick bastard.

Well, let me ask you this, would you rather be on Earth (overall, it sucks) or here?

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Kitsune Inferno    22

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^ No pics = no proof = LIE. I'm only going to believe that place exists if someone takes a Polaroid of it. Only one thing is certain, and it's that we're all gonna rot in the ground or be incinerated. If your beliefs allow you to ignore common sense and human decency and let someone die so they can move onto what you believe is a better place (instead of six feet under surrounded by wood, worms, and dirt AS PROVEN), fuck them and fuck you for following them, you sheep.

Edited by L-RiC

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_Ray    16

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^ No pics = no proof = LIE. I'm only going to believe that place exists if someone takes a Polaroid of it. Only one thing is certain, and it's that we're all gonna rot in the ground or be incinerated. If your beliefs allow you to ignore common sense and human decency and let someone die so they can move onto what you believe is a better place (instead of six feet under surrounded by wood, worms, and dirt AS PROVEN), fuck them and fuck you for following them, you sheep.

So because of what you just said, I now don't believe that the dark side of the moon exists unless you take a polaroid of it for me. :thumbsdown:

I also don't believe that your penis exists unless you can take a polaroid of it. (Providing it has at least 800x optical zoom. :) ) I also don't believe that you have a fucking brain unless you can take a polaroid of it for me.)

One thing: Faith without action is dead. The Lord never told us to just sit like ducks whenever someone is in need, right?

Exactly.

And guys, I am not defending what the parents did at all, I think it was completely wrong. If there's a hospital, go to it.

Edited by Raybob

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Connor    6

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The dark side of the moon does exist though or else we wouldn't have a light side of the moon.

His penis is his business and not yours, go compare your cock size with some gay porn instead.

And last but not least, if he didn't have a brain, he wouldn't be ripping the shit out of you right now.

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_Ray    16

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The dark side of the moon does exist though or else we wouldn't have a light side of the moon.

His penis is his business and not yours, go compare your cock size with some gay porn instead.

And last but not least, if he didn't have a brain, he wouldn't be ripping the shit out of you right now.

1) He can't take a polaroid of it, so according to him, it doesn't exist.

2) I obviously don't watch gay porn, unlike you.

3) He was definitely ripping the shit out of me, huh?

CONNOR

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Connor    6

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The dark side of the moon does exist though or else we wouldn't have a light side of the moon.

His penis is his business and not yours, go compare your cock size with some gay porn instead.

And last but not least, if he didn't have a brain, he wouldn't be ripping the shit out of you right now.

1) He can't take a polaroid of it, so according to him, it doesn't exist.

2) I obviously don't watch gay porn, unlike you.

3) He was definitely ripping the shit out of me, huh?

CONNOR

:withstupid:

He doesn't need to take a polaroid of any of those things you mentioned, because they can be proven without a polaroid.

It is possible for him to take a picture of any of those things if he wanted, but it's IMPOSSIBLE to take a picture of heaven or shit like that.

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