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Chris: What you say makes sense. The problem I am having is that I am apparently unable to fathom the definition of "OPENLY" as it would apply to a Military member. You say it has nothing to do with sexuality, another says it has nothing to do with being flamboyant, or wanting a splash of pink. So.........What is it? What is one thing that will change in a Soldiers day to day life by being "openly gay?" What is one thing that he/she may expect to be better for him/her by being "openly gay?" What exactly are the Positive benefits and do they outweigh the Negative consequences of being "openly gay?" That's all I'm asking. Again, this has nothing to do with real world issues. I absolute support gay rights in every aspect but with this one exception. In this one case, I think the gay community is causing a bigger problem for gays in the military by forcing the issue. I think they should back off this one and seriously look at the possible Negative consequences of their actions.

OK. I get the point, I realize that Gays are not treated as well as they should be. Please keep in mind that the original Statement was intended Specific to Military members. I had no intentions of implying that Gays had an easy row to hoe in the civilian world. That was my fault for using non military examples. I should have keep all of my statements in the proper perspective. Seriously the way gay couples are treated in public is absolutely horrific. Gays have every right to be themselves, without criticism. However (you knew there would be one) Military members and military members only simply cannot be "openly" gay while in the performance of their assigned duties. For exactly the same reason Straight couples cannot be for lack of a better word "openly" straight. There is NO sexual activity on a military unit Straight, gay, or otherwise. With the exception of base housing, which you don't go to until after work. Just so you know only about 10% of soldiers get to live on base. I guess the bottom line is really the saddest thing of all. 1. There is no benefit for the homosexual military member, nothing what so ever will change as far as the day to day routine of his or her life. They will still be required to follow the rules of the UCMJ.(Uniform code of military justice) which just for the record supersedes the Constitutional rights of a military member. As a soldier you do not have any of the freedoms of which you swore to forsake your own life in order to protect for others. 2. Here it is the bottom line. As harsh as this sounds, I am shamed to write this about the organization that I so proudly served. The majority of other soldiers will not trust a homosexual to have their back when the gravy hits the fan. When the bullets are flying and the bad guys are advancing fast, Will there be the unity that's required for that team to come home? You have the right to serve, Thank God for your courage, but does it have to be "Openly"?

I agree with you, you should not care if I am straight, that's why I never march in a parade celebrating the fact, That's why I have never went in to my boss's office to inform him of my sexual preference, that why I have never been involved in a lawsuit that allows me to for whatever godforsaken reason I would do it in the first place, tell my employer my sexual preference. No I do not think all gays want a splash of pink, I said we had gay folks on the ship and that we all got along just fine. The thing is I am completely accepting of gays, in the work place, or wherever they choose to be. I support gay marriage, I support gay rights. My basic fundamental question is why do we need all this fanfare. Are we not all created equal, does not the constitution already give equal rights to all citizens of the US. You are just another human living in this world and doing your best to provide for your family. Why do I need to ask your sexual preference when hiring you to work. What job are you applying for that the subject might come up? I mean lets just look at it your working as a widget installer on the Assembly line at the whatchamightcallit factory. your job is to grab the widget lay it on a foundation an solder it in place. you been doing the job for ten years, do you really think that your sexual preference has anything what so ever to do with that job, I honestly just can not figure out why a persons sexual preference would be an issue at 99.9% of the jobs in this country. Now just for the record. I absolutely can promise you that I will never, never walk up to another human being and just announce that I am straight. because; guess what? that person probable does not care.

I support the don't ask, don't tell. Why? Because I spent many years in the Military. I was a proud member of Uncle Sams Canoe Club (USN). Did we have gays in the navy? Yes! but they never openly talked about it, and they never hit on any crew members. We all got along just fine, there was no tension or what ever. We all just did our jobs to protect the USA. So Why go open? What is this insatiable desire to tell others that your gay? More to the point, Why do you think we care? Specific to the Military, What does "openly" mean? Do you want to add a splash of pink to your uniform? Would you like a rainbow pattern painted on the walls of the bunker that your lying in with an M-16 assault rifle and praying that the other guys(enemy) don't toss in a grenade. The simple facts are these. There are some basic rules for ALL military personal. We wear a Uniform. They all look alike period. We do not have relationships with other soldiers in our command. We do not engage in sexual activity while on duty. We do not engage in sexual activity in the workplace. We do not while in the performance of our duties, kiss, hold hands, fondle, and or fraternize with another member of the military. taking all of this into account. Where do you see a benefit in telling your captain that your gay? WHY FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, ARE YOU INCAPABLE OF UNDERSTANDING THE FACT THAT WE KNOW YOUR GAY, WE'RE NOT STUPID. WE JUST DON'T CARE. DO YOUR JOB WEAR THE UNIFORM, AND SHUT-UP....BECAUSE WE DON'T CARE.IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE IN OUR LIVES.

I'm straight, well at least i used to be, now I'm just old. Too old to think about it really which is good because I live alone with no prospects in the future. Not that I'm complaining, trust me i remember well the many years I was married. Believe me, I thought I was happy at the time. This should have been my motto from birth. Marriage is an institution made by Women, for Women. Bachelorhood is a Mans way of life.

First, Can somebody tell me how to close a Question? I have several that are apparently never going to get an answer, so I thought why take up space. second, I finally got my MS Internet Explorer to function. So How does the vcmm10 work, I can't get it to do anything. If I hit the download button it goes to a web page but only the top of the page is visible. I don't know what page it went to and I am unable to find the Mod that I am looking for. third. I have the VCtrainer but when I click on it , I get a message that says I don't have the version of the game that is supported by the trainer. Where do I get the correct version and what number is it that I will be looking for? Any Help I receive will be greatly appreciated, Thank You.

OK. so I found 93 packages. Then I read about a dandy mod that would point to the last 7 so I download the mod only to find out that I have to have a Mod installer.. so I found one that said will install all mods for gta3 and vc and while i was there I downloaded a Cadillac. The installer installed the Cadillac, but it did not like the package finder, so I found the Mod Manager(thing you must have for all vc mods) except it can't seem to find the package mod that's sitting in the same folder that it's in. so then i find a download button and figure I can re-download it no problem.... except it apparently is designed to use windows Internet Explorer.....I don't use that one so the Mod Manager wont help me. So then I found a VC-Trainer that had the package finder included. so i downloaded that unzipped it in the vc folder and after it said it was successfully installed I went and doubled the little pink avatar that said trainer on it then I selected to start the game game works just fine but as far as I am able to ascertain it does not have any means of using the features advertised. So after downloading several mods, a trainer, and two mod installers all that's actually changed in my game is that I have a Cadillac that wont show damage and the doors don't work. not to mention that they only come in black. Will somebody please explain this godforsaken web site to an old veteran that's just about out of patience.

One of them has been turned on! Let's just say that my game has been compromised. Person or persons unknown (Well obviously one of my so called friends)have managed to mount my insurmountable security and manipulate my game in the most fiendish way. They applied the "fightfightfight" cheat. "AND THEN SAVED THE GAME" Reintroducing the cheat does not turn it off. nor does quitting the game and coming back later. Please if you have any insight as to how one might go about turning off this insidious cheat, I would be greatly thankful.

One of them has been turned on! Let's just say that my game has been compromised. Person or persons unknown (Well obviously one of my so called friends)have managed to mount my insurmountable security and manipulate my game in the most fiendish way. They applied the "fightfightfight" cheat. "AND THEN SAVED THE GAME" Reintroducing the cheat does not turn it off. nor does quitting the game and coming back later. Please if you have any insight as to how one might go about turning off this insidious cheat, I would be greatly thankful.