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Personally, I don't know, I don't know enough about them. But what do you guys think?

I'm mixed opinion about rape abortion, but there is adoption.

Are you telling me killing animals isn't considered abuse? What the fuck is then? God said we could use the animals for our needs, (eating, making into tools, etc.) But clearly not to torture them or do dog fighting, etc. G2G Alright, but killing a cow and using HALF of the meat to make beef and throwing everything else away is wrong. Which, BY THE WAY, is what usually happens. THAT, is NOT what God meant. And besides, I doubt he wanted us to MASS SLAUGHTER them, either. He wanted each person to go kill the animal THEY NEEDED, and use them for their needs. For someone who has to go, you keep on posting. Most moral doctors won't do an abortion too far into the SECOND trimester, they are most commonly done near the end of the FIRST trimester. I know, I think that's wrong too, I never said it was right. I just said that using them for what we ABSOUTELY NEED is not torture.

You don't attack them...hmmm. Well homosexuals don't have the same beliefs as you...but you're saying that they can't get married. So you're attacking their beliefs. What beliefs of yours am I attacking? Never said they can't get married, just said I don't think they should.

Of course they are. I'm not saying you abiding the bible is wrong. But ease up on your ignorance and see that homosexuality isn't as bad as what you believe them to be, thus, this is why I and many others believe homosexuality is no different from being straight. I'm sorry, I was just stating my opinion, and no, I do not, as someone said earlier, believe that gays will rot in hell, etc. GOODNIGHT

Actually, it's a human FETUS. And for the record, it's currently ILLEGAL to get an abortion at the end of the third trimester. You DO realize that the third trimester is the end of the pregnancy, right? Yes, it happens, but it's illegal, and probably won't ever be legal. WE'RE ABUSING THEM. DID YOU NOT READ MY POST? And a fetus can be anything, depending on what it is in. Inside a human? Then it's a human fetus. Exactly, human, and killing humans is, I believe, considered murder...... And I said the beginning of the third trimester, or end of second, smart one. And even if I didn't know that you can easily figure it out by the fact that it says TRI-mester, and tri means tree, or third. I HAVE TO GO FOR TONIGHT, GOODBYE

Are you telling me killing animals isn't considered abuse? What the fuck is then? God said we could use the animals for our needs, (eating, making into tools, etc.) But clearly not to torture them or do dog fighting, etc. G2G

1. When trying to carry on a discussion about a topic as sensitive as politics, it helps to be at least slightly objective. Listen to other people's opinions. Not go on the defensive when someone "attacks" your beliefs. :groan: 2. Then why did you even put that up as a reason? 3. No, I'm saying there are a shitload of rednecks in East Tennessee that hate the fact that Obama's the president and I had to listen to them bitch about it. 5. We're not the center of the universe and a lot of this country's problems can be traced to poor foreign policies of the past. If you go back to the very beginning of the forum, I got morally attacked and called an idiot. So clearly, I did not start the argument, and I don't like having my beliefs degraded.

I didn't say it should (Though I do believe it should ), just said that was my reasoning. Ok, well you just said it now. Good job. (This is what I believe:) God did not create women to do it with women and men to marry men. He created Adam and Eve, intending it to always be Men and Women. (Sorry if I seem a little forward, these are just my opinions, not meant to insult any others) Ok, if it's supposed to be men and women, then you go by your own beliefs and marry a women (provided that one would actually want to marry you). Do you listen to other religious views from Jews or Muslims? No, but I don't attack them, and I would appreciate it if you would stop attacking me.

Hardly, actually. Learn about the process of pregnancy and childbirth before spitting false facts. And as stated, chickens are living things, so are cows and pigs. In fact, these things are more "living" than an undeveloped fetus... Yet we SLAUGHTER these things in the masses, only use select parts, and even then, usually don't use all of what we were going to use. Hamburgers are murder. Fur coats, murder. Chicken nuggets, MURDER. KILLING IS KILLING, AND YOU'RE A HORRIBLE CHRISTIAN IF YOU SAY OTHERWISE. God said we could use the animals of the Earth, just not abuse them. Do you consider a fetus an animal or a human?

Ha, that's funny, I haven't heard that before..... (Seriously, not sarcasm) And the likeness was not really a reason for me not liking him, just a funny coincidence that I felt was worth mentioning..... (Apparently a mistake... ) Can you stop avoiding some of the questions being asked? Go ahead, ask 'em. But I'm being bombarded with posts and by the time I put up one, another has already been put up. People, this forum was for civilized discussion. I have simply stated my opinions, never attacked any of yours. You're being bombarded for stating what you believed to be true, however is NOT. Gay marriage is absolutely NONE of your business. You have NO right to step into Gerard or anyone else who is homosexual's life and say something like "Right, you're not allowed to get married and have sex simply because you are gay with no reason stating why. If you at LEAST tried to see that being is gay is no different from having a straight relationship then you would realize you are against so many of your own straight beliefs, such as getting married, expressing love and affection in public and having the rights to funding and such. Once again, as my beliefs are allowed to state, it says in the bible that marriage is defined as the union BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN. You can believe what you want, but that's my belief.

Alright, fine. I find your reasons that Obama wouldn't be a good president asinine and completely biased. It's as though you're one of these rednecks who live in my area who will reach for ANY reason why Obama isn't suitable for office, including his name. WHAT THE FUCK does THAT have with a thing? Also, did you notice that this county is in debt $1.3 trillion? Seeing how that bill coincides with that number, I'm guessing it's to get us out of debt. And cares if his first telecast was for Iranians? I haven't seen it, but seeing as how there's so much turmoil in the world, it helps to convince other countries to be on our side. 1) Yes I clearly am biased, majority of people are, but I haven't attacked anybody. 2) I didn't say his name had anything to do with it. Just said it was a funny coincidence. 3) All Republicans are rednecks? Wow. 4) The Stimulus bill WILL SPEND 1.3 TRILLION THAT WE DON'T HAVE. 5) I didn't see the telecast, just heard about it and thought it was kinda funny that the President of the U.S. would pay more attention to Iran than his own country. That's all, anything else? So is a chicken. Your point? Again. Living in his own bubble. It's a HUMAN living lifeform, and therefore when we kill a human we get, what? That's right, murder! And abortions very often happen after the first trimester. Up until the beginning of the third. So since it's very young, it's not human and we can just kill them whenever we feel like it?

It has a beating heart and a brain, so that's good enough for me to be considered living..... Actually, throughout the entire first trimester, it doesn't have a brain, nor a beating heart. So try again, buddy. As for the gay marriage, I just love posting this video. It's still a living lifeform.

Wow, Chris. Ha, that's funny, I haven't heard that before..... (Seriously, not sarcasm) And the likeness was not really a reason for me not liking him, just a funny coincidence that I felt was worth mentioning..... (Apparently a mistake... ) Can you stop avoiding some of the questions being asked? Go ahead, ask 'em. But I'm being bombarded with posts and by the time I put up one, another has already been put up. People, this forum was for civilized discussion. I have simply stated my opinions, never attacked any of yours.

It has a beating heart and a brain, so that's good enough for me to be considered living.....

Ha, that's funny, I haven't heard that before..... (Seriously, not sarcasm) And the likeness was not really a reason for me not liking him, just a funny coincidence that I felt was worth mentioning..... (Apparently a mistake... )

In case you haven't read the whole topic, this was meant to be about logistics and Obama, not religion. And really? Chill...

This topic wasn't created last year, unfortunately. If I could vote, the Big Community Thread would be my vote. 120 PAGES!!!!!

You ever spit out a baby? Do you know what it does to your body? Do you know the pain you go through? Any of this? No? Then shut the fuck up about abortion, you're ignorant. No, I haven't, but i know it fucking sucks. But if you're willing to MURDER an innocent baby to get out of that few hours, or days of pain, I believe that's not right. And please, stop attacking my beliefs. I haven't attacked yours, just stated my opinion.

That's just it; you only believe this nonsense because you were told to. Like little kids are told to believe in Santa Claus. I was brought up in a Christian home. But unlike a lot of people, I actually applied my bullshit detector to what I was being told. Also you are certainly entitled to your beliefs, but imagine the billions of people in China, India, and the middle east who not only aren't educated on your religion (much like you're not educated on theirs), but think you're the crazy one who will be tortured for eternity. Dohoho, it's actually part of a clause from the First Amendment Exactly, keyword: *amendment* A.k.a., not in the original constitution. And I never said non-Christians were going to rot in hell. God (In my belief) is forgiving and hopefully they will repent when they are judged.

That's just it; you only believe this nonsense because you were told to. Like little kids are told to believe in Santa Claus. I was brought up in a Christian home. But unlike a lot of people, I actually applied my bullshit detector to what I was being told. Also you are certainly entitled to your beliefs, but imagine the billions of people in China, India, and the middle east who not only aren't educated on your religion (much like you're not educated on theirs) and think you're the crazy one who will be tortured for eternity. That's exactly why they're allowed to believe what they want to. And as I said before, my beliefs are very different than there. Let me rephrase that: And I thank them for bringing me up in a free-belief Christian environment

The founding fathers did nothing of the sort...hence SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. Obviously people were afraid to come out as gay because a certain religious group that has historically been extremely critical of freedom and learning wasn't limited in what they did. That was one of the first amendments years after, was not in the original constitution. I'm sorry I just can't help laughing and feeling sorry for you.... But anyway, that's fine, you can have your beliefs, and I can have mine. (Laughs Very Hard as he remembers...) Get your ignorant, right-wing, Bible-thumping ass out of my sight. And I'm truly Sorry If you've been raped or whatever, but is it really worth the life of an innocent baby when there's adoption?

According to your profile, you are only 13 years old. Such a shame that your parents brainwashed you into believing this. Also it doesn't matter what a criminal does, they still have some rights and keeping them locked up for years without trial is not right. The founding fathers did nothing of the sort...hence SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. Obviously people were afraid to come out as gay because a certain religious group that has historically been extremely critical of freedom and learning wasn't limited in what they did. My parents believe in two separate religions, my Dad Reformed Christian, and my Mom Old Christian. I have my own beliefs, and we sometimes get in fights because of our differences in beliefs. For example, my Mom is a Conservative Populist. Doesn't mean I agree with everything she says just because she's my Mom. Also, I thank them for bringing me up in a Christian home. Nice picture by the way.

I didn't say it should (Though I do believe it should ), just said that was my reasoning. (This is what I believe:) God did not create women to do it with women and men to marry men. He created Adam and Eve, intending it to always be Men and Women. (Sorry if I seem a little forward, these are just my opinions, not meant to insult any others)

That's sad. I feel bad for Obama. May not be an Obama supporter, but hey he did a pretty good job at that speech on Tuesday too...