Maybe all GTA fans could get together and sue ESRB if they try this with GTA4. They are basically telling us (especially since I'm 30+ years old) that we don't have the freedom to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness through an extremely violent video game that gives me a chance to shoot stupid people (can't do that in real life, so this game is a good substitute. ~grin~). I'm getting absolutely fed up with the ESRB just up and banning games with their AO rating. I didn't have a any interest in Manhunt until ESRB put an AO rating. I went and purchased it (its still sealed in the packages) so I could support Rockstar and Take Two. The game doesn't interest me at all, but supporting a company that put out 3 of my favorite games (GTA3, VC, and SA) is far more important then that fifty bucks. This will be another one of those games that I purchase it for the consoles, and then when it comes out on the PC I pickup another copy. ~grin~