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What is the point of quoting yourself?

O rly? Are you a Tool fan? Because Tool fans generally hate Dream Theater and Dream Theater fans generally hate Tool. It's an epic war. Luckily I like both. Little more sway towards Dream Theater though. I believe progressive is music that is deeper than the notes and chords. I know there is a lot of other music that is like that, but from what I've heard the real progressive bands are all like that.

I once tried abec 13's (off craigslist for 40 dollars) on my shortboard and it was REALLY fast and quiet, but then it slid and I fell. I skated almost constantly until I got sortof good and then I quit. A big reason was because I totally lost interest, but also everybody at my school that skated were total posers or terrible emos.

It's a universal genre, anything can be progressive. You could probably have progressive alternative. I think Freak Kitchen is progressive alternative.

That's why I like progressive. No genre!

He plays on every track of Chinese Democracy except for like 2.

Don't get an impression of him from Chinese Democracy. It's his playing, but not his music. Same goes for Buckethead.

Beatles, very original band. I'm pretty much the same as you, I just probably have a lot more exceptions. Any instruments? Useful: Guthrie Govan Mattias IA Eklund Ron Thal AKA Bumblefoot Buckethead

Dragonforce still has a lot of soul. I didn't start it, and somebody did say that, as a response to somebody else. Yeah I agree with you that soul is in the ear of the beholder. I guess what I'm trying to say is that Dragonforce doesn't appear to have soul to me. What music do you listen to anyways, Spaz?

O rly? Nevermind. They aren't emo. More poser pop rock. But there music is annoying and uninteresting. That's what most pop is. How can you possibly hate genres? Thats like hating all shades of colors.

.... By your definition ALL bands are destined to fall apart. DUH? By your definition ALL bands are rapping about "rapin' bitches and poppin' caps." Umm... Duh... I wouldn't want Dragonforce to die if they make a song that sounded different from all of there other songs. Same with Linkin Park.

I don't care if they have a good time or anything of that sort. When somebody says "I like Dragonforce because they have soul," it almost itches.

Wow, I made this almost a year ago. Contribution: Vaulting.

Yes, I used to. Elitist metalheads? They are just as bad as the elitist/racist sellout rap wannabes that everyone worships these days.

Sooner or later. Are they still gunna be rapping about rapin' bitches and poppin' caps in there 80's?

My Chemical Romance Green Day Dragonforce Linkin Park Most rap bands(D12, Three Six Mafia) but they will fall apart sooner or later so no worries. All death metal bands that constantly harmonize with minor in drop D.

I don't care. They have fun, someone enjoys how they sound. Soul or skill? I won't even try. They are dicks too!: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4He7sjd1w8I...feature=related Eric Johnson

For all the Dragonforcefags.

He's probably the lowest on my list, but when hes not playing super fast he sounds pretty good. But he is very clean when he is fast and I like how hes all about putting on a good show.

No, Dream Theater has soul, I just used it against your "ONLY soul, NOTHING else" comment. I'm not saying I wouldn't listen to something without soul, I listen to a lot of 4/4 major techno, which most of are pretty soulless, but I don't say that they have soul. You say they have soul, I say they don't. Thats it. Very hard thing to argue since it is all in opinion, but this one is pretty obvious. I guess nobody wins. Thanks for the argument, Spaz. Got me motivated to make a life story. Making it useful: Don Ross Erik Mongrain Andres Godoy (One armed guitarist!) Pat Metheny (42 string guitar!) Steve Hackett (Genesis) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xW_7YyKawbw Bob Brozman http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=At6-JmIS2nY (He sings in like 3 languages and plays 20 different styles) Alex Lifeson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXCZvRNgLnI Eddie Van Halen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3DNtoruMCc Eric Johnson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Sh1P0earDU Steve Vai Yngwie Malmsteen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XN5FAcd2sbM...feature=related Neil Zaza Tony MacAlpine Michael Angelo Batio Steve Stevens

Why waste your time on Dragonforce? I guess that Dragonforce actually has enough soul for you. No I just find soul very high on the list of musical importance. I am actually currently listening Dream Theater which has a lot of speed and technicality but it's technicality and speed does not compromise it's soul.

Did anyone ever say that MCR had soul? If they did than I missed it. You should see them live, it's completely different from their studio albums. I don't base a bands ability on albums, but by listening to or watching them live. You mentioned effort and feeling, I guess they are both opinions that I cannot argue. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. You could also say that the sound of a washing machine has soul, or the sound of a car alarm, but that is irrelevant. All I want to say is that if you are actually looking for soul, you might want broaden your listening. I don't think I'm special at all. Even if I didn't have any history in music I could see that Dragonforce has a lack of soul. Also, I won't be the one enlightening you at all, the music will. I have no power over you musically or socially, but I have the same mindset as you do. Music is what makes half of life interesting. And in terms of experience in music, get ready for a story. Starting when I was young I was always surrounded by music and musically talented people. My whole family played at least one instrument and music was a very large part of my life. I remember when I was young I used to constantly listen to Kenny Loggins and John Denver (My only two tapes when I was a toddler). I have been playing piano on and off for 9 years and although I learned a lot about music, I never really got technically skilled. I also had music theory and music appreciation near the end of elementary school. Later I started playing guitar and have been playing and taking lessons once a week for seven years. Just this year started having 2 lessons a week with 2 different teachers, the teacher that I had previously teaching about theory, jazz, classical and probably everything you could think of, and the new one strictly for metal and rock. But both teachers are constantly teaching me that talent is not in speed, but in soul, and thats where I focus my listening. Throughout middleschool I took 3 different music classes. One useless guitar class, one sort of useful percussion class and one very useful theory class. Last year (I'm a sophomore in highschool) I joined many bands and tried very hard to actually establish a legitimate cover/original band, but everybody was too busy getting high and going to single digit populated parties. In the summer of 2008 I joined a large student jazz band at a local high school orchestrated by a well revered conductor and jazz player. We were put into combo bands (a band with many different instruments) and we created two original songs, one sort of alternative rock song that I didn't have much part of except for the solo, and one fun jazz/waltz/metal crossover which was very fun to create and perform. They invited me to come tour with the whole jazz band in France but I declined because I would have to miss the last month of school. This year I am attending one music genesis class which I think also has a lot of elements of music appreciation. We first studied music notation and reading plus basic theory (notes, octaves, progressions, chords) and now we are studying music from every era, studying about 10 different styles and countries for each era. I have probably listened and learned about 100 different genres of music but really enjoyed playing a few, although the ones I didn't like still gave me a lot of experience. To sum my boring memoir up, I have always paid attention to soul and composition more than technicality and speed. Sure you can say that Dragonforce has soul, but that is a matter of opinion from what you have heard before (that is why I mentioned that "+44 Smashmouth" thing.) I am deeply sorry if I seem like an elitist or dick to you, but it is sad to me to see someone who can respect soul, but is looking in the wrong places. If Dragonforce has all the soul you need, then this will be all, but you really don't know what your missing out on. Again, I apologize for being so serious on this, music is just very important to me. If you want proof of my ability I could upload a few songs I have made, but I don't want to hijack my own topic.

Why didn't you just not post a picture at all?

I guess I am just very serious about music. No it is not a war, I just don't want somebody to miss out on real musical soul. If they think Dragonforce has soul, they deserve some enlightening. Funny you mention elitist, since I haven't actually mentioned myself or my favorites in an argument, but only as a referral. Maybe if you actually read my post you would rethink this. If you don't have the patience or ability I'll restate in similar terms: Speed is a very powerful thing if used in moderation, but soul, technicality, tone, and compositional talent are all big pluses for me personally. I don't hate Dragonforce, I like their music, as I have stated before, but speed and being cool just isn't enough.

People who talk about their own talents/abilities either true or untrue when not asked to do so.