I'm glad the two creative betas are coming.. I'm really looking forward to them. Although I do wish there was a "no collision" option for races.. make things more level on the playing field. I'm really excited to create new races, but what fun is it going to be if the racing is still a disaster?

Well, it just seemed to me, they corrected the glitch of falling into the water without drowning, but sinking to the bottom like a rock! Happened tonight before the update, I was kicked from a session and had to reboot from single player... AGAIN, and the update for the Beach Bum additions again loaded, at least appearance and cues on screen, there's no real difference you'll notice, but comment here if you saw different. I saw a multitude of people leave my session after I rejoined, I can only assume they had to allow the software update in the same disturbing manner, disrupting us in the heat of online gameplay!!

Still seems people are getting kicked from sessions in droves, happened the other night, or evening, a whole host of online peeps all left within seconds, I can't see this as actually user planned mass exodus.

Also, will anyone here be trying their hand with the creative beta additions? I had hoped to as well, being a Forum leader, I feel I should get used to as many GTA attributes as possible, but there are many, and more then I would normally be doing, I wonder, how do you guys approach it? Like Tennis online with other players? I believe you CAN do that like single player, but even though I had no driving ambition to play poker when RDR came out, I enjoyed it a lot, so there is that Never Can Tell factor you just don't know before hand. Deathmatches and Last Team Standing all feel they haven't changed much, other players can still dominate those sessions. 

The problem with GTAO right now is major cash for some players, sharing it with others, which I actually think is a nice idea, but there's a boat load of disparity among users now. The playing field is ANYTHING but level.

This can be a detriment I'd say, but controlling session criteria would help, ultimately I like just gambling with whomever's in a session, though you can easily swap from one to the next.

It'd be interesting who's races constructed by the kit in GTAO become endorsed by Rockstar and promoted on their site

Also, will anyone here be trying their hand with the creative beta additions?

Yeah, I made one race so far.. I really want to make at least one R* verified race, especially since I'm not much for death match. Just gotta get creative!

Agreed, DMs happen no matter if they're orchestrated or not. I was double teamed by some guys seemingly after my bounty, they just kept at it, that's the problem, I was at the mercy of a bad chosen location to get even with two guys and their custom vehicle so I had to bug out of the session. I mean, two versus one already presents unfair advantage! haha

Somewhat OT, I was at Target stores shopping for food, but browsing electronics as usual, they've marked off some newer USD titles down to , ten bucks off. However, they've marked GTA V down even further, I think it's USD IIRC, however, the game obviously has additions planned. Other titles remain somewhat static from their companies, a few offer DLC, but by and large, not typical of console titles.

Can anyone tell me how to create a challenge race or crew challenge race?  I have the creator down with 3 races posted on ps3 online, but I can't figure out how to create the challenge race for big $.  Any help is appreciated.  RS support on this is hopeless marketing slick with no instructions.  Help!

Seems Rockstar's neglecting RDR Online multiplayer from what I'd been reading, sounds like a cesspool of cheaters taking over, and trouble even getting into sessions. HELL in MP basically, I hope this is not something still effecting the games.

Haven't used game editing, or even been on my consoles in over a month, but I would email Rockstar via their support address, don't use Mouthoff, and have some faith, they should still help all users when they get to your query

Seems Rockstar's neglecting RDR Online multiplayer from what I'd been reading, sounds like a cesspool of cheaters taking over, and trouble even getting into sessions. HELL in MP basically, I hope this is not something still effecting the games.

You're behind the times. They stopped patching RDR a LONG time ago.

I've been off RDR MP mostly due to getting all the way level upped, and many friends in Online left it appears. It was fun seeing them all the time, day after day, joining familiar posses, as it stands, and some of the fun we had showed up on YouTube. Anyway, I still plan to go back, regardless of how bad or boring it might be deemed, after all, if you want true MP poker, only recourse is still Red Dead Red

I've been off RDR MP mostly due to getting all the way level upped, and many friends in Online left it appears. It was fun seeing them all the time, day after day, joining familiar posses, as it stands, and some of the fun we had showed up on YouTube. Anyway, I still plan to go back, regardless of how bad or boring it might be deemed, after all, if you want true MP poker, only recourse is still Red Dead Red

No, certainly, if you enjoy it, then by all means keep playing. After all, that's what games and movies are for, to enjoy over and over again. I'm just saying, the developers stopped supporting it long time ago, when your initial post gave the impression you were expecting them to patch it again.

Red Dead Red is a tour de force in gaming, no one has made a better Western, and still, even at this late date, despite SLOW progress from Rockstar, no other games have the same anticipatory level. I think this is safe to say anywhere in the World.

You suggest Rockstar will stop support for online gaming of any past title, This is new ground for them, keep this in mind, it's fact. Even adding MP elements to Uncharted from respected Naughty Dog hit snags, and again, new ground, how can you pull off untried concepts effectively?

The other factor in these matters is seeing how history shows the down side, namely APB from former GTA creator David Jones. I really hope there's still some hope left in regard to salvation for the formats and PC gaming as well.

I think with attention spans being ever shorter, and people forgetting the time it took to get this far, they expect things working out of the box, due to any delay that might have happened, or perceived, but I just think quality development time is that much longer, and may continue to be for the rest of the duration, since the quality demands will keep going up with spec

I'm not suggesting they're going to pull the plug on RDR MP and you very well know that, I'm just saying they're no longer patching the game.

Why do you constantly read between the lines of everything I say? If we were talking about apples, you'd run off about oranges, potatos, and cherries.