Vercetti Thug Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 I found this article on MSN. Thoughts? FLAGSTAFF, Arizona - Police in this small eastern Arizona community are looking into the possibility that an 8-year-old boy who is charged with killing his father and another man with a rifle had been abused, the police chief said Saturday. The boy, who faces two counts of premeditated murder, did not act on the spur of the moment, Police Chief Roy Melnick said. "I'm not accusing anybody of anything at this point," he said Saturday. "But we're certainly going to look at the abuse part of this. He's 8 years old. He just doesn't decide one day that he's going to shoot his father and shoot his father's friend for no reason. Something led up to this." Story continues below ↓ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- advertisement | your ad here -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Friday, a judge determined there was probable cause to show that the boy fatally shot his father, Vincent Romero, 29, and Timothy Romans, 39, of San Carlos, with a .22-caliber rifle. Under Arizona law, charges can be filed against anyone 8 or older. The judge ordered a psychological evaluation of the boy. Melnick said police had responded to calls of domestic violence at the Romero home in the past, but police were searching records Saturday to determine when those calls were placed. Melnick said police are pushing to have the boy tried as an adult, but he acknowledged it's unlikely a judge would grant that motion. "This is a severe double homicide, premeditated, and that's the right thing to do," he said. "We're going to use every avenue of the law that's available to us, but we're also looking at the human side." Melnick said officers arrived at Romero's home within minutes of the shooting Wednesday in St. Johns, which has a population of about 4,000 and is 168 miles northeast of Phoenix. They found one victim just outside the front door and the other dead in an upstairs room. Romans had been renting a room at the Romero house, prosecutors said. Both men were employees of a construction company working at a Salt River Project power plant near St. Johns. The boy went to a neighbor's house and said he "believed that his father was dead," said Apache County attorney Brad Carlyon. Apparent confession Melnick said police obtained a confession but the boy's defense attorney, Benjamin Brewer, said police overreached in questioning the boy without representation from a parent or attorney and did not advise him of his rights. "They became very accusing early on in the interview," Brewer said. "Two officers with guns at their side, it's very scary for anybody, for sure an 8-year-old kid." Prosecutors aren't sure where the case is headed, Carlyon said. "There's a ton of factors to be considered and weighed, including the juvenile's age," he said. "The counter balance against that, the acts that he apparently committed." Carlyon said the boy had no record of complaints with Arizona Child Protective Services. "He had no record of any kind, not even a disciplinary record at school," he said. "He has never been in trouble before." FBI statistics show instances of children younger than 11 committing homicides are very rare. According to recent FBI supplementary homicide reports, there were at least three such cases each year in 2003, 2004 and 2005; there were at least 15 in 2002. More recent statistics weren't available, nor were details of the cases. 'Legal minefield' Earlier this year in Arizona, prosecutors in Cochise County filed first-degree murder charges against a 12-year-old boy accused of killing his mother. Defense attorney Mike Piccarreta, who is not involved in the latest case, said each case has to be considered on its own merits, but it would be hard for him to comprehend that an 8-year-old has the mental capacity to understand the act of murder and its implications. "If they actually prosecute the guy, it's a legal minefield," he said. "And, two, society has to make a decision as to whether they want to start using the criminal justice system to deal with 8-year-olds. That doesn't mean you don't have a troubled kid." Wednesday's homicides were the first in at least four years in the community, where most people know one another, Melnick said. No one else had been killed there since 20 years ago, he said. Romero had full custody of the child. The boy's biological mother visited St. Johns during the weekend from Mississippi, and returned to Arizona after the shootings, Carlyon said. Brewer said the boy "seems to be in good spirits. "He's scared," he said. "He's trying to be tough, but he's scared." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRX22B1998 Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 i blame these violent video games... yeah maybe cos of abuse or whatever probably... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vercetti Thug Posted November 9, 2008 Author Share Posted November 9, 2008 Do you think he should be tried as an adult or checked into a mental insitution, or do you think that perhaps he was wrongly accused of the crime? (though incredibly unlikely) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZ91 Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 You can't decide until they find out more info, ie: his past witht he family and he'll definitely be checked over by a psychologist first so they can find out exactly why he did it. Then they can decide on punishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hansui Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 if the kid was abused, then he is right, but he still needs to be imprisoned... he still committed a crime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earthbound Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 ...shit. The world is a funny place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott. Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 Yeah, I saw this on the news the other day. I was like Wtf.. how could an 8 year old kill 2 grown men? Maybe he got hold of a gun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vercetti Thug Posted November 10, 2008 Author Share Posted November 10, 2008 OBVIOUSLY. Didn't you read the article? it said RIFLE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samil Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Okay you don't see this every day.Lol now seriously ... an 8 year old kid ... one rifle ... two murders.What the hell is wrong with these people?! Now how did the kid put his hands on the rifle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blur Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Its down in the South were many people own firearms. It must of had been his fathers hunting rifle or something like that. I say he deserves to be charged has an adult for his actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deji Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Kid needs special attention. But cant go to jail! He's not old enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vercetti Thug Posted November 11, 2008 Author Share Posted November 11, 2008 In my opinion, I think the kid should get some special attention. He's simply too young to go to jail, but he commited a serious crime. They should send him to a specialist in child psychology and maybe he can be diagnosed and report cases of abuse. I mean, the kids gotta have a reason right? He just doesn't say, oh hey a rifle, i'm gonna shoot my dad and his friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claude-5 Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 when i was 10, i was threatend and mugged, i pushed the guy, he fell into a river and couldn't swim, he dies, in front of me, the police saw it as self-defense, i still feel the guilt from it, that is gonna play on that childs mind for the rest of his life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters! Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 when i was 10, i was threatend and mugged, i pushed the guy, he fell into a river and couldn't swim, he dies, in front of me, the police saw it as self-defense, i still feel the guilt from it, SERIOUSLY? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbanoutlaw Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Your other choice was to be assaulted & possibly killed. You have nothing to feel guilty about, you only defended yourself. The kid in Arizona needs psychiatric treatment, at 8 years old he probably doesn't fully understand what he's done. Ironically, it's probably the parent's fault for not teaching him right from wrong. Either way, the kid needs to be institutionalized as he is a danger to others & needs to learn that there are consequences for his actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claude-5 Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 yh, seriously butters outlaw, i do tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters! Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Your other choice was to be assaulted & possibly killed. You have nothing to feel guilty about, you only defended yourself. The kid in Arizona needs psychiatric treatment, at 8 years old he probably doesn't fully understand what he's done. Ironically, it's probably the parent's fault for not teaching him right from wrong. Either way, the kid needs to be institutionalized as he is a danger to others & needs to learn that there are consequences for his actions. Sorry, But when I was eight, I was pretty Sure shooting someone is classed as wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRX22B1998 Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Your other choice was to be assaulted & possibly killed. You have nothing to feel guilty about, you only defended yourself. The kid in Arizona needs psychiatric treatment, at 8 years old he probably doesn't fully understand what he's done. Ironically, it's probably the parent's fault for not teaching him right from wrong. Either way, the kid needs to be institutionalized as he is a danger to others & needs to learn that there are consequences for his actions. +1 i mean, no matter how old he is, he still killed 2 people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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