Political Beliefs

[MrLlamaLlama]

I think that Iran and North Korea need a good nuke in the ass from the good ol' Yanks out West.

And they certainly need a couple back? 'cause that's exactly what they'll get. And here's betting Russia will jump on that bandwagon, too. A military strategist you are not.

[_Ray]

I think that Iran and North Korea need a good nuke in the ass from the good ol' Yanks out West.

And they certainly need a couple back? 'cause that's exactly what they'll get. And here's betting Russia will jump on that bandwagon, too. A military strategist you are not.

As far as we know they don't have any yet which is why we need to

fuck them up the ass

before they nuke us first, which will certainly happen sooner or later, and we'll end up like Planet of the Apes.

You can't lost when the other side can't attack you. (At least not with nukes )

[MrLlamaLlama]

But they just do. And why is us not knowing whether they have them or not (allegedly) a reason to nuke them? Surely that's much more immoral than doing it when they do?

[_Ray]

But they just do. And why is us not knowing whether they have them or not (allegedly) a reason to nuke them? Surely that's much more immoral than doing it when they do?

Better not to take risks, and they've attacked us for no reason in the past.

[Connor]

Raybob, you're an idiot.

Governments aren't stupid enough to just go around executing suspected terrorists without a fair trial beforehand. How would you like it if you were wrongly convicted of a capital crime, you end up lying on a piss-soaked matress in a cold cell, awaiting lethal injection?

Same principles for not bombing other countries too, I don't even need to explain, just read up on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Let me ask you something, have you ever considered that your own country might be a dominant, cold nation with a history of murdering innocent civilians with nuclear weapons and to this day continues to have them ready for use? And you're afraid of Iran researching nuclear technology?

[MrLlamaLlama]

Not to take risks? So nuking Iran and North Korea carries no risk? That's the most fucking stupid thing I've ever heard. Probably. If not, the stupidest was probably something else you said. If someone came and punched you in the face (can't imagine why :/) on the off chance you were planning to it back... you'd be pretty pissed.

America needs to stop thinking they're the fucking be all and end all in morality, and let people get on with their lives.

[_Ray]

Not to take risks? So nuking Iran and North Korea carries no risk? That's the most fucking stupid thing I've ever heard. Probably. If not, the stupidest was probably something else you said. If someone came and punched you in the face (can't imagine why :/) on the off chance you were planning to it back... you'd be pretty pissed.

America needs to stop thinking they're the fucking be all and end all in morality, and let people get on with their lives.

Scenario:

Barack Obama takes your idea into consideration.

We get nuked by Iran, North Korea, and Russia.

[Connor]

You just can't say that though, the US have nuked places before. Iran, North Korea, and Russia haven't done anything at all.

Stop posting like a bell end, please.

[MrLlamaLlama]

Scenario: We don't nuke them, they don't nuke us.

[_Ray]

You just can't say that though, the US have nuked places before. Iran, North Korea, and Russia haven't done anything at all.

Stop posting like a bell end, please.

So we wait until they inevitably do?

And I don't mean to just suddenly nuke them right now, but if they do anything at all or we get solid info that they're producing nukes, then enough is enough.

[MrLlamaLlama]

Who is America to say they can't make nukes? The US have, is enough enough now, should they be blown off the map?

[Connor]

God help you if you say "because they're terrorists."

[Thomas.]

I think that is the reason, when you think of how the people of Zimbabwe are treated, it is appalling. Yet there is nothing in it for the UK/USA so in their logic why spend billions on a war when they won't get anything out of it. I just think its wrong. Tony Blair was reported to have said that he would have declared war even if he knew there was no weapons.

They are, if you think about it, treated worse in Zimbabwe than the people were treated in Iraq. In this case it wasn't logical to go into Iraq for human rights but was it really better to go in for weapons of mass destruction and oil? For the past decade or so, we've literally been watching the problem in Zimbabwe and all we've done is ban Robert Mugabe from our country. This is when I think something should be done, not Afghanistan and Iraq - those are American problems.

[Bear]

Why should America have nuclear weapons but the rest of the world can't? Why would Russia decide that one day on a whim they will get up and nuke America. Thats the most stupidest thing. America is not the greatest country in the world, no country is the best.

Also our country sends money to Zimbabwe which ends up going paying for Mugabe's 12th gold mercedes. There is no justice in this world, its just suspicion and hatred.

[Gerard]

But Russia do have nukes. Loads of countries are nuclear-armed, including the US, UK, France, Russia, China, India, Pakistan, North Korea and South Korea. Iran and Syria are well on the way to joining that list, and Israel have never officially declared whether they are or not.

The whole idea of a nuclear deterrent is that if any country DID launch an attack (for whatever reason), the attacked country (and its allies) can blow the shit out of them.

It is impossible to wipe out all of the nuclear weapons of the country you are attacking without them (or their allies) attacking you. You would have to blow up every square inch of Russia, China, North Korea, Iran and Syria in one go, AND all of their ships and submarines, before they had a chance to launch any weapons back the US/UK/France/SK. Trust me, that is absolutely ludicrous and beyond impossible.

So with Raybob as President, the entirety of the devloped world would go up in smoke. Sounds awesome D;

Let's not mention the millions of innocent civilian lives that would die in ANY nuclear attack, and billions in a nuclear war. At least stick to trade sanctions (causing poverty, causing revolution) or army-on-army battles.

[Mpilk901]

As far as we know they don't have any yet which is why we need to

fuck them up the ass

before they nuke us first, which will certainly happen sooner or later, and we'll end up like Planet of the Apes.

Listen little boy, what your saying is that it's ok for the US to have nuclear weapons because they are responsible with them but if any other country has them we should nuke them because they might nuke us for no apparent reason. I'm sorry, what?

If any country was to launch a nuclear warhead at America then they would ultimately not care about their country being nuked as well because by the time that first nuke is launched, America will have every single one of their's going straight towards that country. That means that both country's would have been fucked and nobody wins or proves anything.

[Connor]

America are the terrorists.

[Bear]

This is why I doubt nuclear weapons will ever be used as at the end of the day the world would be destroyed with all these missiles going off. Innocent people from countries who don't have nuclear weapons would be destroyed as the bomb wouldn't stop at the border's of Russia for example.

[Thomas.]

Let's think of it this way. The USA are the terrorists really simply because they invaded some random country in the 70s, 80s or 90s without thinking about the future. These countries should not have been invaded as they had no right to, it is like Nazi Germany's invasion of Poland. They want to exterminate communism, so they declared war on many god damn communist countries. Yet when they are 'invaded' by terrorists, they call them 'terrorists' when they did the exact same many years or decades prior. If the US don't like what they are getting then why dish it out in the first place? They are only going to make the situation worse by giving the so called 'terrorists' (as described in the media) attention. All they want is to kill and to get attention.

As far as we know they don't have any yet which is why we need to

fuck them up the ass

before they nuke us first, which will certainly happen sooner or later, and we'll end up like Planet of the Apes.

Listen little boy, what your saying is that it's ok for the US to have nuclear weapons because they are responsible with them but if any other country has them we should nuke them because they might nuke us for no apparent reason. I'm sorry, what?

If any country was to launch a nuclear warhead at America then they would ultimately not care about their country being nuked as well because by the time that first nuke is launched, America will have every single one of their's going straight towards that country. That means that both country's would have been fucked and nobody wins or proves anything.

The whole world would be in danger if this were to happen. The one nuke wouldn't just affect the countries firing at each other but the whole world, which is why I believe the UN are trying to get rid of nuclear weapons. Getting rid of them is a fair initiative but as Gerard said, it's impossible.

[Pandora]

I'll make longer post tomorrow, but just to keep things short now:

I'm pretty right-wing. I'd say conservative, but I'm quite liberal too in a sense. At any rate, Obama of all was my least favourite during the US elections and if I could have voted, I'd have probably gone for Romney when he was still in. Otherwise McCain, though I never really liked him..

Don't support anything in my country as they all are shit. There just isn't any decent right-wing party here (and we've got like 15 parties here.. imagine that. Most are socialist ones..). My main grudge in the Netherlands being tax.. Soon we'll be paying 60% (52 now, but the government wants to raise that to 60.. Because they fuck up and can't just spend less on damn immigrants and other crap).

Damn immigrants? Of course, not all. But this is the game: Come to holland and ask for money to 'intergrate'. Receive about 2500 EUR a month. Send money to home country, live 70% of the year in home country. After a year still can't speak a little bit of Dutch. Great.

I'd like to us to have a bit more freedom over our own money. You know, like pension and stuff. Just let people sort that out themselves. Mess up? Bad luck. Of course, with exceptions.

I'll clarify tomorrow...

[Connor]

As for myself, it's hard to define. I despise the BNP, makes me fucking cringe that I'm part of the same race as those fucking pricks. I could say I'm the opposite to them.

Some of their policies may sound harmless and in good taste, but if you look deeper, expecially into the past of the party members and the National Front, you will see the kind of sick shit they believe in and want to enforce.

Say a year ago, none of us would have even thought the BNP would get as far as they have today. I'd have to start a revolt if they ever got into power, I would become a terrorist.

Edited December 24, 2009 by Connor

[MrLlamaLlama]

The thing i despise most about politics is that there's just no concept of common sense. Like, theoretically, I'm not allowed to rock my chair at college. If i fall off, i can sue the college for negligence to enforce rules, not providing adequately safe seating and flooring, and probably some kind of racism, just for good measure.

However, when i fall off, it's actually quite funny. K, my head hurts for a bit, and i get shouted at a bit by my lecturer, but it's not the end of the world, and i take full responsibility for pricking around when I shouldv'e been working.

Same in the bigger picture, like Policing. If a copper stopped an asian kid of my age, at night in the street where i live, it's pretty much 80% he'd break out the race card. No, prick. It's because you're loitering about at night, hooded up for 'no reason at all' Police should have the confidence and ability to be able to make that call without fear of being attacked about it, based on the fact they talk to the kid based on COMMON SENSE.

[Connor]

I despise positive racism just as much as I do negative racism, everyone should be treated the same.

[Bear]

I hate positive discrimination as it doesn't help anyone, it just singles people out again. The police are told when they getting in new recruits to favor non white, female or LGBT people over anyone else. So basically a straight white man will have to wait a long time to get into the police. I don't think thats fair, it should be who is a better at the job gets it.

There is this case where a man hit this man who was breaking into his house, the father who was protecting his home and children has been sent to prison yet the bugular has been set free. There is no common sense there.

Then we have schools banning playing conkers as children may hurt themselves, yes we did used to hurt ourselves but we found it funny. May as well wrap bubblewrap around children with all these new stupid laws, just so children won't sue.

The BNP members past is quite disturbing, many are linked with the KKK. Says it all really.

[Gerard]

We've had a big problem with racism and positive discrimination at my students union (where I was an officer).

CBA to explain - read here if you're interested.