Police respect

[Alistair]

I've always liked the idea of "gang respect", basically the type that we saw in GTA 2. The more missions you did for one gang, the more respect you'd have from them. The more of one gang you'd kill, you'd win favour with the other gangs until eventually the gang you're pissing off tries to kill you.

However, I'd like to also see this concept added to the police.

So for example, do you remember in GTA3 and VC when you can chase down muggers and in VC you'd get a small reward? I'd like to see GTAIV have a system whereby the more you help the police, they will have a greater respect for you. The more you annoy them, the more they'll come after you. Here's an idea of the scoring, lets say it ranges from -100 to 100, where -100 is they will pull out all resources to kill you, 0 is they don't know you at all, and 100 is they love you and will never arrest you.

Stop a mugger: +2

Help stop a car in a police chase: +8

Stop a terrorist: +15

Assault a random guy: -1

Kill a random guy: -10

Kill a cop: -50

You can also do missions for the police in a sort of corrupt-vigilante way.

Basically, if you're good, the cops won't be as likely to arrest you for a crime. It would probably eliminate the wanted star system, or affect how long it takes to not be wanted, so if you've got a police respect of +30, they might "forget" about a two or three star wanted level after a few ingame-hours.

The idea of terrorists is that it works in the same way as muggers like in GTA3 - except hopefully with more than just 2 models. If you see a dodgey looking-guy on the streets of new york, and say he starts opening his jacket (because he has a belt-bomb) you can shoot him and win respect from police, or someone planting a bomb somewhere for example.

I'd like you know what you all think, so I included a poll.

[Nate10]

Yeah, that'd be fun. Kinda like Bully with all the different clicks like jocks, preps., etc.

Yeah, this would be cool. but I would think you'd need more than +30 to get away with 2-3 stars

[Artur]

Sounds pretty cool but I don't want it to be perfect like they'll never arrest you. The rest sounds great though man, some good ideas, hopefully R* will include something like it. But yeah I like the idea of not getting arrested for 2 or 3 stars but I'd mess up my perfect 100 police respect when I go on a killing frenzy.

[Nate10]

Yeah, but like I do when I use cheats I just never save .

[nabo]

Yea that sounds great, and if you have like -200 you could go to the nearest police station and bribe the officer and you be at 0 again...

[Artur]

Yeah, but like I do when I use cheats I just never save .

Yeah most of the time me neither, but when I actually survive I do.

Yea that sounds great, and if you have like -200 you could go to the nearest police station and bribe the officer and you be at 0 again...

That would be pretty cool, but if you had -200 they'd probably kill you before you took another step into Police Station seeing how much they would hate you Jokes, yeah that'd be pretty awesome.

[Nate10]

Awesome but way to easy. Plus R* said they have improved police a.i. and a.i. in general a great deal more than any of the previous GTA's so idk about that lol. I hope it'll be realistic.

[Queenie]

If it adds to gameplay then I'd like to have it in the game.

[Alistair]

Glad y'all like it

I think bribing is a good idea nabo45, but I think it should be a risk - some cops won't accept it and arrest you, others will do.

[Artur]

Yeah a little mini-game could be used for that like in Scarface for selling cocaine. There would be a bar and you'd press a button, it would fill up quickly and you have to stop it closest to the top as possible for more money and maybe something like this could be used in GTA IV? But yeah like Nate said R* made the police A.I. much smarter so I don't know... Still a great idea though.

[Charger]

I agree, but except that you will never get arrested if you reach 100. That kinda sucks, and makes the cop corrupt. You do something bad even if you 100 and you go to jail.

[Artur]

Yeah same, GTA would be no fun if no cops came. The game would be too easy and get extremely boring but I like the idea of not obtaining two stars.

[Jared]

As long as they don't go and use what Scarface did with the white lines on the radar, and when it gets to total white you just die, they can kill you by punching you. That was a rip off I thought.

[CroScorpion]

That would be very great! But that still shouldn't effect on police chase for you.

[surrealistic ArtSweet]

i actually like the idea, it's creative and interesting

but i doubt that it'll be in any next GTA, it's a little unrealistic.

i mean c'mon, stop a mugger? there's no criminal in the world would ever do that.

and in vice city, if we stop a criminal, we lose a rating! how is a criminal in their right mind would do such a thing, helping the police???

and how can a cop trust & respect criminals(main char)??? except the corrupted ones, but i just don't think that this'll happen, besides, R* already have a cop feature, and they said it'll be harder to mess with 'em

i don't know about you, but i sure love a difficult, good A.I, pain in the a** son of a bit** cop to chase me in GTA

i voted no, i'd rather have an improved vigilante feature, than cop respect

Edited May 27, 2007 by ArtSweet

[Nate10]

Yeah, they confirmed great and better A.I. but I love this idea. Well, I like it a lot...

[surrealistic ArtSweet]

i just don't think that this feature is really that neccesary, i mean, this will make it a whole lot easier.

well how about we make it harder, for example:

when you get out of jail, the time will advance 24 hours, and sometimes, we have to break out from a local jail when the cops didn't listen to our "reason"

you know, not all cops are crooked, maybe this will be cool

and when you get out, with no weapons, you can go back to the reception to return them without bullets

oh, and when you're driving your own car (not stolen) and you get busted, you can go to the impound and pay them back

how's that?

[CroScorpion]

Hard to believe that that will happen!

Maybe police respect could actually be some police chief influence, so he can let you go or give your stuff to you for free

Edited May 27, 2007 by CroScorpion

[Highwire]

I've always liked the idea of "gang respect", basically the type that we saw in GTA 2. The more missions you did for one gang, the more respect you'd have from them. The more of one gang you'd kill, you'd win favour with the other gangs until eventually the gang you're pissing off tries to kill you.

However, I'd like to also see this concept added to the police.

So for example, do you remember in GTA3 and VC when you can chase down muggers and in VC you'd get a small reward? I'd like to see GTAIV have a system whereby the more you help the police, they will have a greater respect for you. The more you annoy them, the more they'll come after you. Here's an idea of the scoring, lets say it ranges from -100 to 100, where -100 is they will pull out all resources to kill you, 0 is they don't know you at all, and 100 is they love you and will never arrest you.

Stop a mugger: +2

Help stop a car in a police chase: +8

Stop a terrorist: +15

Assault a random guy: -1

Kill a random guy: -10

Kill a cop: -50

You can also do missions for the police in a sort of corrupt-vigilante way.

Basically, if you're good, the cops won't be as likely to arrest you for a crime. It would probably eliminate the wanted star system, or affect how long it takes to not be wanted, so if you've got a police respect of +30, they might "forget" about a two or three star wanted level after a few ingame-hours.

The idea of terrorists is that it works in the same way as muggers like in GTA3 - except hopefully with more than just 2 models. If you see a dodgey looking-guy on the streets of new york, and say he starts opening his jacket (because he has a belt-bomb) you can shoot him and win respect from police, or someone planting a bomb somewhere for example.

I'd like you know what you all think, so I included a poll.

Ya id like that its so much like True Crime:NYC

[Highwire]

i just don't think that this feature is really that neccesary, i mean, this will make it a whole lot easier.

well how about we make it harder, for example:

when you get out of jail, the time will advance 24 hours, and sometimes, we have to break out from a local jail when the cops didn't listen to our "reason"

you know, not all cops are crooked, maybe this will be cool

and when you get out, with no weapons, you can go back to the reception to return them without bullets

oh, and when you're driving your own car (not stolen) and you get busted, you can go to the impound and pay them back

how's that?

That would be cool too

[Red_91]

This is one of the best ideas I have ever heard, I hope this sort of thing gets implemented into the game.

[Artur]

Yeah and a lot of people agree with that except for ArtSweet I just hope it doesn't take over the whole cop system R* already has.

Oh and thegtaguy please don't double post just edit you first one and add in what else you wanted to say.

[Alistair]

Thanks for all the positive feedback

One thing though, it really wouldn't be as easy as you think. Stopping a mugger for example isn't the same as killing him, if you killed him you might make it worse than if you'd just knocked him out. But really, when you're playing GTA, you come across opportunities to kill a lot more than opportunities to help the cops, it'd be difficult to keep your rating high, and probably near impossible to keep it at 100. The only way to keep it very high, would be to basically play it as a cop-game, but the storyline, and the way we all like to play, is going to make that extremely difficult. It's just one part of the game that annoys me, when you kill a mugger and the cops come after you, for example (obviously because you couldn't knock someone out in previous GTAs), to me it's a way of improving the AI, with a very simple method that doesn't require ridiculously intelligent cops.

[Highwire]

Oh and thegtaguy please don't double post just edit you first one and add in what else you wanted to say.

I will but i had to because I dont know how to quote 2 posts.

[Highwire]

Oh and thegtaguy please don't double post just edit you first one and add in what else you wanted to say.

I will but i had to because I dont know how to quote 2 posts.

Edit: Sorry about the double posting my computer froze and I didnt know if It worked. Also I was logged out when it unfroze and brought to the front page.

Edited May 27, 2007 by thegtaguy