chris82 Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 Well, the time may or may not have come for me. Within the month, I will be getting an ATi Radeon 3870HD graphics card. Since this is a DirectX 10 card, you can guess what I'll have to do to make use of it... My specs be: AMD Athlon X2 5000+ Black Edition OC'd 2.8GHz Corsair XMM2 DDR2-800 2x1GB Memory ATi Radeon x1800GTO PCI-express graphics card Now, this is especially geared towards people who've played games and frequently do such things on their computers. Will installing Vista give me a very noticeable performance drop in games or slowdowns in boot time, application launch, etc...? I've already tried installing Vista as an upgrade from XP...to keep my shit installed and everything, but it gave me a BSOD so apparently this is gonna have to be a fresh install...is it worth it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockstarrem Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 I seriously NEVER thought I'd see the fucking day. I don't notice any performance drops in Classic Mode, you know, the old Windows 2000 look, but when I'm in Aero I notice it, but I have a Radeon X1300. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Pie Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 If you're gaming and you're forced to use Vi$ta just because of DX10, disabling visual styles and other knick-knacks may give you a performance gain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrLlamaLlama Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 Don't understand why having a DX10 requires you to get Vista, i've seen some screen and the games look only slightly marginally better on DX10. I'm not sure what you're doing with your old GPU, you could sell it on eBay and double your RAM, plus a bit more. Also, is your CPU Overclawcked? If so, i think you should be fine. I've got the standard editi0n of that processor, and it manages to run the entirity of the Vice city opening scene thingies in under a second, and after i disable a core, it still runs 3x too fast. I'm using Xp currently, but i don't think it should be too bad after the aformentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deji Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 wtf is DX10? Direct X? Vista is... ugh... Microsoft started giving free copies of XP to all disapointed vista users. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Pie Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 Don't understand why having a DX10 requires you to get Vista, i've seen some screen and the games look only slightly marginally better on DX10.I'm not sure what you're doing with your old GPU, you could sell it on eBay and double your RAM, plus a bit more. Also, is your CPU Overclawcked? If so, i think you should be fine. I've got the standard editi0n of that processor, and it manages to run the entirity of the Vice city opening scene thingies in under a second, and after i disable a core, it still runs 3x too fast. I'm using Xp currently, but i don't think it should be too bad after the aformentioned. What processor? Are you using a quad? wtf is DX10? Direct X? Vista is... ugh... Microsoft started giving free copies of XP to all disapointed vista users. One version after DX9, perhaps? Yeah, we all know M$ is an epic failure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike356 Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 no mac is a failure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrLlamaLlama Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 no mac is a failure Ever used a mac? Know why macs are favoured in the industry? No? Well then. Oh, it's a Dual core processor, just saw Chris' was OC'd... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike356 Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 actully I was forced to use a mac through 1 to 8th grade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Pie Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 (edited) actully I was forced to use a mac through 1 to 8th grade And I was forced to use Windows since I was seven or eight... Oh well, there's always Linux... Edited May 15, 2008 by Huckleberry Pie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 Ha, nice. Well, I'm on Vista and here are my specs: Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 (2.4GHz) - haven't OC'd or anything... yet. 4 x 1GB PC2-6400 800MHz RAM (you will need to get RAM with a decent speed) nVidia GeForce 8800 GTS 320MB (also uses shared memory which apparently makes this have 1GB in total :/ ) about 4 hard drives totalling 1TB of space for all my music, movies, tv shows and porn I remember on my old PC that Photoshop used to take about a whole minute to load. On this one it takes about 10 seconds flat for the first time, and about 5 seconds if it's closed down and opened again later (I guess Adobe puts some kind of helper in the background to help speed up loading times, I dunno) Point is, as long as you have fast hardware then you shouldn't really notice much slowdowns. I do wish I had an XP machine with equal specs though so I could compare in a more fair way though. Also, DX10 will have an advantage for future games (like 2009 releases onwards) such as the awesome Alan Wake, no way in hell will that be running on XP (apparently) As for games, well, I can't play Crysis on max settings which is a shame, what it requires for Vista is a fair bit more than what you need if you're on XP, but tbh I never really got into that game. I can of course play all the GTA games on max settings which is awesome. I also play COD4 on max settings, and just to see if it was possible I recorded a video at full resolution using Fraps - if anyone's ever tried this you'll know just how much this slows you down... it slowed COD4 down to about 20FPS... playable but not very good But you probably won't be doing that. Basically, it's not really that noticeable - but then since my previous PC was a lot lower spec my opinion probably doesn't count for much here. Boot times - yeah they're probably slightly longer on Vista actually due to the epic amount of shit it loads... shutdowns are also longer I think - but my PC is left on most of the time so doesn't affect me. Anyway, if you know you're going to eventually upgrade, may as well do it now. Unless you have reason to wait. As for games not running... um.. which ones? Haven't found a single game or even application that won't work on Vista... at least that I would use regularly anyway. The one thing I have found which doesn't work is the SAAC hack for San Andreas (to use your PS2 controller as a gamepad)... but since I don't play SA anymore this isn't too big of a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Pie Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 Well, I'm not running on Vista, just because I only have a mid-range PC, capable of running GTA3-era games at minimal to moderate settings - any more and it will be tad frustrating... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris82 Posted May 15, 2008 Author Share Posted May 15, 2008 Holy dicks. I was talking with rem earlier and I made a partition and installed Vista on it. No performance drop in games. None. In fact, right from the get-go, it also seemed to open applications and find files slightly faster. Don't get me wrong, there's a few quirks with older applications and whatnot but even with Aero and all that enabled, I didn't notice a performance drop in TF2 at all at the same settings. (All high, 1280x1024, 4x AA 8x AF) BTW that 3870 is going to be even moar better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Pie Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 Holy dicks.I was talking with rem earlier and I made a partition and installed Vista on it. No performance drop in games. None. In fact, right from the get-go, it also seemed to open applications and find files slightly faster. Don't get me wrong, there's a few quirks with older applications and whatnot but even with Aero and all that enabled, I didn't notice a performance drop in TF2 at all at the same settings. (All high, 1280x1024, 4x AA 8x AF) BTW that 3870 is going to be even moar better. Cool... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandora Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 Infact, with SP1 games actually can gain a frame. You're not going to notice that single frame, but at least you won't lose. And if you do it'll not be more than 3 frames. Haven't any problems with it thusfar. DX10 does has a slight performance impact, but that is to be expected of course. Biggest problem with Vista must have been drivers, I'm pretty sure of that. And as a side note: You've got a 3850, right? Well, you could OC that to the level of the 3870, or wouldn't that be possible? I don't know if it's just a clock en PCB lay-out difference or if it really is very different. But personally I would OC the 3850 with ATitool and then buy a 4xxx card next month (since you won't ever want an nVidia card, I think). OF course, the new serie will be a bit more expensive, but it'll probably be worth it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris82 Posted May 15, 2008 Author Share Posted May 15, 2008 Infact, with SP1 games actually can gain a frame. You're not going to notice that single frame, but at least you won't lose. And if you do it'll not be more than 3 frames.Haven't any problems with it thusfar. DX10 does has a slight performance impact, but that is to be expected of course. Biggest problem with Vista must have been drivers, I'm pretty sure of that. And as a side note: You've got a 3850, right? Well, you could OC that to the level of the 3870, or wouldn't that be possible? I don't know if it's just a clock en PCB lay-out difference or if it really is very different. But personally I would OC the 3850 with ATitool and then buy a 4xxx card next month (since you won't ever want an nVidia card, I think). OF course, the new serie will be a bit more expensive, but it'll probably be worth it though. lol, no, I'm getting a 3870 soon. And BTW, on review sites it looks like DX10 increases the average FPS in Crysis so it's mainly optimization. OH GOD IM NOT GOOD WITH COMPUTER HOW DID THIS GET HERE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandora Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 Uhm, I get something like 30 to 40% less frames with DX10 than with DX9 in Crysis. There is a quite noticeable difference. Shaders just have to be set on high, makes everything look much better. Anyway, so you're not the anti-vista guy you were before, right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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