Shortbus Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 .you'd never see a touch screen like that in American media. CNN had holograms. (Not true ones thought) I am happy Obama won. I don't think McCain is a bad man but I don't think he would do a good job, really. Ron Paul was the best out of all of them, but he would never win - he wasn't even put on the ballot, he was a write-in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 Its very true that this will effect every country. I got angry at people at uni because I asked if what they thought of Palin, they had no idea who that was. Then I asked about Obama, they asked if he was a rapper. I almost cried. I told them and they just said why should they care as it doesnt concern them. America being a very powerful country it will affect many people around the world. How could they have no idea who Obama was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mpilk901 Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 Its very true that this will effect every country. I got angry at people at uni because I asked if what they thought of Palin, they had no idea who that was. Then I asked about Obama, they asked if he was a rapper. I almost cried. I told them and they just said why should they care as it doesnt concern them. America being a very powerful country it will affect many people around the world. How could they have no idea who Obama was? Loads of people I know said "I don't really care" as well! America's decisions affect the whole world which is why I took an interest in the election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drumstick Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 Lol, in Holland my parents watch the whole night xD. I'm happy that Obama won. McCain is too old, he is a war veteran (not that that is a problem, but he comes with strange plans) also he is only for the rich guys. And a black man is now president. That is hostory. Sorry for by bad Engelish, but i come from the Netherlands and i'm 13 years old xD. Drumstick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitsune Inferno Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 Its very true that this will effect every country. I got angry at people at uni because I asked if what they thought of Palin, they had no idea who that was. Then I asked about Obama, they asked if he was a rapper. I almost cried. I told them and they just said why should they care as it doesnt concern them. America being a very powerful country it will affect many people around the world. How could they have no idea who Obama was? Hell, even Iranians were paying close attention to the election! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadmartindy Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 (edited) ...because he's a liar and has socialist views. Plan and simple. That is exactly what my co-workers and I were talking about last night at work. Barack HUSSIEN Obama...American? I don't believe that one iota! Edited November 7, 2008 by Dadmartindy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_91 Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 America only invaded Iraq I think (and will probably get slated for this) is because of the oil, thats why there still there after 5.5 years. I know somepeople may bot agree with me, but they found NO weapons of mass destruction at all, if they haven't found any they should just get out of there. There soldiers are dying and they (Bush) says he wants to help the Iraqi people but sometimes you can help, the best think they could do to help is leave the country as all that is ahppening is that more people will just become extremists as there unhappy with American Soldiers being in their country, if america stay in Iraq they'll suffer the casualties, no matter what anyone says, no one has ever got rid of a terrorist group, it aint going to happen and never will, just look at the IRA, negotiations can work and is probably the best solution, doubt America would even contemplate this though. One advantage of the American and the British troops being in the Middle East, is that they are encouraging young children that the Taliban are bad people. The Taliban seek on the young children to join them when they are older and if the troops can encourage them that this is not good, this can seriously stop acts of terrorism. If you've seen videos and documentaries of our troops in Afghanistan then you'll know what I'm talking about. Arab countries feel safe with us defending them and we can't leave them to fall victim to the terrorist acts. Thats my opinion anyway. You've got to be kidding me right? The middle east people want British and American soldiers out, thats why there targeting american soldiers and will keep on doing so until they leave, which is hopefully soon. The taliban are bad people, I accept that but if America (and Britain for that matter) had done their job properly in Afghanistan, and Bush actually thought things through the taliban would have died out instead they forced them out into retreating now after a couple of years there back again, plus the taliban will never go away unless Bin Laden dies or a peace agreement happens between al-quaeda and America/UK ,this is the only way I think it will stop, you cant stop terrorism, Al-Quaeda is too big to just collapse. he's a liar America only invaded Iraq I think (and will probably get slated for this) is because of the oil What? If that were true then we wouldn't have been paying over $4 a gallon before the recession. Yes we still shouldn't be there but we did not go there (at least not exclusively) for oil. Please tell me other reasons why they went there, if they didn't go there in 03 the recession would have come a lot earlier, Iraq never exported oil (I think) before the war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris82 Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 You've got to be kidding me right? The middle east people want British and American soldiers out, thats why there targeting american soldiers and will keep on doing so until they leave, which is hopefully soon. The taliban are bad people, I accept that but if America (and Britain for that matter) had done their job properly in Afghanistan, and Bush actually thought things through the taliban would have died out instead they forced them out into retreating now after a couple of years there back again, plus the taliban will never go away unless Bin Laden dies or a peace agreement happens between al-quaeda and America/UK ,this is the only way I think it will stop, you cant stop terrorism, Al-Quaeda is too big to just collapse. Al-Queda can't come to a peace agreement with us...a terrorist organization doesn't deal with peace. Also Iraqi and Afghan civilians don't target soldiers, terrorists do. Please tell me other reasons why they went there, if they didn't go there in 03 the recession would have come a lot earlier, Iraq never exported oil (I think) before the war. So you're saying if gas prices didn't skyrocket the recession would have come earlier? The recession started because people defaulted on their loans and mortgages, it had nothing to do with gas. Also Iraq has been exporting oil for a LONG time. l2/OPEC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 ...because he's a liar and has socialist views. Plan and simple. That is exactly what my co-workers and I were talking about last night at work. Barack HUSSIEN Obama...American? I don't believe that one iota! He is American, lets face it almost every American has roots coming from an other country. Who cares what his name is! if he makes a great president so what? People moaning and whinging that he was Muslim, well he isn't (like that even matters) he went to an Islamic school for a few years and then became Christian. Who cares if his father is Kenyan? All that matters is how he does the job and how well he does. America is meant to be the land of hope and oppurtunities. So why should someone be judged because his middle name is Hussien. Big deal, it shows his heritage. No one but the Native Americans is truly American. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_91 Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 You've got to be kidding me right? The middle east people want British and American soldiers out, thats why there targeting american soldiers and will keep on doing so until they leave, which is hopefully soon. The taliban are bad people, I accept that but if America (and Britain for that matter) had done their job properly in Afghanistan, and Bush actually thought things through the taliban would have died out instead they forced them out into retreating now after a couple of years there back again, plus the taliban will never go away unless Bin Laden dies or a peace agreement happens between al-quaeda and America/UK ,this is the only way I think it will stop, you cant stop terrorism, Al-Quaeda is too big to just collapse. Al-Queda can't come to a peace agreement with us...a terrorist organization doesn't deal with peace. Also Iraqi and Afghan civilians don't target soldiers, terrorists do. Please tell me other reasons why they went there, if they didn't go there in 03 the recession would have come a lot earlier, Iraq never exported oil (I think) before the war. So you're saying if gas prices didn't skyrocket the recession would have come earlier? The recession started because people defaulted on their loans and mortgages, it had nothing to do with gas. Also Iraq has been exporting oil for a LONG time. l2/OPEC Firstly I will admit defaulting loans has been a factor of a recession but rising oil prices have been as well, its much easier to balem people for the recession rather than a thing thats running out. Plus Iraq I dont think never exported any oil to the US before the war at all, most if not all of america's oil comes from the Saudi's. Iraqi and Afghan civilians may not target soldiers but they are certainly not happy they are there because there casuing civilian deaths by sort of being there and making people angry who in then may become brain washed and become a terrorist and target the American/British soldiers. The IRA, probably the worst terrorist organisation before al-quaeda showed us that peace can happen, its just America/Britain won't 'negotiate' with terrorists, al-quaeda is too big for any country to kill off now, America and Britain are wasting their time trying to get rid off al-quaeda as it will never happen. IRA PEACE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deji Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 Al-Queda can't come to a peace agreement with us...a terrorist organization doesn't deal with peace. "One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris82 Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 Al-Queda can't come to a peace agreement with us...a terrorist organization doesn't deal with peace. "One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter" So you're saying we should negotiate with Al-Qaeda? No. Blowing yourself up and killing innocent people in the name of religion is unacceptable and un-negotiable behavior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_91 Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 Yes negotiaiting with Al-Quada is the ONLY the way there will be peace, Im not saying its right or wrong but I think it should happen. Do you really think any country can get rid of al-quade now? If there isn't a peace agreement, innocent peple will get killed from both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRX22B1998 Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 i personally think that once saddam was out of it, they should've left, cos i mean, sure it has done some good, but...(and i know this is gonna sound bad) whats it to them? what do they have to do with it? they arent really getting anywhere, these al qaeda terrorists and whatever will keep coming in the masses, it doesnt look like its gonna be over anytime soon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveplayer Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 You can't negotiate with terrorists. It is impossible. What people in the west aren't being told as often as they should be is that the coalition forces are building schools to help educate the young Iraqi children to learn and not become indoctrinated into the terrorist groups. They are also recruiting and training an army/police force of Iraqi people who can keep the terrorists at bay. It takes time to prepare a country to look after itself when all it has basically known is oppression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deji Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 "One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter" So you're saying we should negotiate with Al-Qaeda? No. Blowing yourself up and killing innocent people in the name of religion is unacceptable and un-negotiable behavior. What I was trying to get through is the fact that not all terrorists are just doing what they do because they like it... They're doing it because they believe in it or are rebelling against something usually. And I wouldn't say that they are to blame so much if it's for their religion. Lot's of religions have stupid things about them, just at a lesser degree... I'd blame the ones who are spreading the religion and saying that they must do it, instead of the actual terrorists themselves. Not all the time, but you have to look at the bigger picture. I don't think they'd kill themselves if it wasn't for a good reason. I've never heard of any other type of suicide that wasn't for a reason... Basically, Religion can be dangerous. Especially when it is being told by unreliable sources... Religion has always been this way. I'm sure the terrorists think that by suicide bombing, they go to heaven and get everything they'd ever dreamed of or something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris82 Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 Yes negotiaiting with Al-Quada is the ONLY the way there will be peace, Im not saying its right or wrong but I think it should happen. Do you really think any country can get rid of al-quade now? If there isn't a peace agreement, innocent peple will get killed from both sides. Oh, so we'll negotiate and then there will be peace for a while, then they'll demand more or start killing again. It would be a neverending cycle of extortion. We can't negotiate with terrorists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Righty Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 I aint' too happy with it. But I'm not a democrat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rappo Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 (edited) You people arguing about the Middle East and terrorists - get with the program! Nobody's clean. You think extremists dislike the West because they hate freedom? That's a load of bullshit I'll tell you that much. You don't become an enemy without some sort of initial discrepency. The US has been meddling in Middle Eastern affairs since the beginning of the 20th century. Iran finally had it's first democratic election after centuries of monarchical reign with the election of Mohammad Mossadegh. Unfortunately for the US, this man wanted to nationalize the oil industry - cue confirmed CIA and MI6 aid (look up Operation Ajax if you'd like more info), and the country takes a huge step backwards, putting another monarch in power. Why am I rambling on about this, you may ask! Well, if the United States is so keen on spreading democracy and freedom, why eradicate the very first person to be elected in a democratic process? To keep interests safe. That's what it's all about - keep the resources safe, keep the interests safe. America will always have a hand in the Middle East as long as there are precious resources there, and war is the very thing that enables them to do that. You may not think about this on a daily basis, but really, it's what fuels (pun intended) your lifestyle, and putting an end to it could cause some damage to the form of capitalism that America is built on. I'm not too disappointed by this, however, as I do believe that we could use a nice lifestyle change here in America, and there are those of you that fear Obama's socialist views, but I say awesome - bring it on! Edited November 9, 2008 by rappo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little_homer Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 4Chan looks happy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_91 Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 Yes negotiaiting with Al-Quada is the ONLY the way there will be peace, Im not saying its right or wrong but I think it should happen. Do you really think any country can get rid of al-quade now? If there isn't a peace agreement, innocent peple will get killed from both sides. Oh, so we'll negotiate and then there will be peace for a while, then they'll demand more or start killing again. It would be a neverending cycle of extortion. We can't negotiate with terrorists. How do you know they'll demand more, there has been a recent message from al-quaeda offering peace terms, but of course they will not be accepted. Please tell me other ways there can be peace, because really I would love to know You can't negotiate with terrorists. It is impossible. What people in the west aren't being told as often as they should be is that the coalition forces are building schools to help educate the young Iraqi children to learn and not become indoctrinated into the terrorist groups. They are also recruiting and training an army/police force of Iraqi people who can keep the terrorists at bay. It takes time to prepare a country to look after itself when all it has basically known is oppression. Lets just take a step back and look at this from a different angle, Al-Quadea is now global, not just in Iraq, they may get rid of it in Iraq though looking highly doubtful, with more and more people dieing each year from bomb balsts etc. Al-Qaede is based in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria and lots more middle east countries, they will not be ousted out onw. @rappo - I agree with you - America funnily enough supported Saddam when it was convenient for them against Iran in the late 80s - early 90s but then he wasn't much use to them so they got rid and started shipping oil for themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveplayer Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 You can't negotiate with terrorists. It is impossible. What people in the west aren't being told as often as they should be is that the coalition forces are building schools to help educate the young Iraqi children to learn and not become indoctrinated into the terrorist groups. They are also recruiting and training an army/police force of Iraqi people who can keep the terrorists at bay. It takes time to prepare a country to look after itself when all it has basically known is oppression. Lets just take a step back and look at this from a different angle, Al-Quadea is now global, not just in Iraq, they may get rid of it in Iraq though looking highly doubtful, with more and more people dieing each year from bomb balsts etc. Al-Qaede is based in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria and lots more middle east countries, they will not be ousted out onw. Let's take a step back and look at this from a different angle. If the US succeed in getting Iraq up and running so it can fend for itself against these terrorists, then that is one less country that has to be occupied. It won't be easy but the US is taking steps forward in forming an Iraqi army/police force and drilling them in the ways of dealing with these extremists. Once Iraq can build its own forces without US involvement they will be a great ally in combating Al Qaeda in that area. The US can then move onto weeding out these abortions of humanity from around the area with Iraq in tow. The majority of Iraqi people like the US soldiers. It shows them that someone cares enough to put their life on the line to save theirs. They want to be free from the terrorists and actually have a life where the soldiers aren't necessary. The UK is taking steps to combat Al Qaeda in that area. Australia and a few of the nations around us are doing the same thing, not to mention countries in the Middle East who are combating them also. Al Qaeda is the vast minority in these countries, the key is finding them and obliterating them. You actually think that Al Qaeda WON'T ask for more if it sees Obama will lay down and abandon the fight for justice? Once they see that they can bend Obama and the US over the table and talk about "peace" they are going to think they can get away with it which is wrong. They are going to use it as propaganda FOR their cause. Spreading the hate speech with one big difference, the fought the US into submission, they won. It will only give them more confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_91 Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 @steveplayer - If you actually think the Iraqi people are happy about being in Iraq, you are crazy, they are sick and tired of the Americans/British in their country, and do you really think just like how America got rid of the taliban in Afghanistan (they've reformed and came back stronger now) they'll get rid of terrorists in Iraq, the answer is NO. I can never see Iraq ever being an ally to America, Iraq is only under US control because of the oil. I do agree it is a risk with having a peace agreement with Al-Quaeda, but they are never going to go away, just like the IRA never went away until peace negotiations were actually reached. There is risk but its could be a risk well worth taking in the end, the IRA has been disbanded since the peace agreement and I reckon if the IRA can do it, Al-Quaeda certainly can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaz The Great Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Seriously, you guys? Almost an entire page and maybe one post about Obama? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mpilk901 Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Seriously, you guys? Almost an entire page and maybe one post about Obama? So I'm not the only one who noticed! If you guys want to discuss the war in Iraq, make a new thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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