Urbanoutlaw

You made it to level 35 so you're doing something right. At about level 50 the reward tops out at $15000. Once you complete your first 12 races they all pay $3250 & once you master the bikes of your choice they're easy $$$ A few rare bikes you can pick up along the way: Angel & Deamon - Based on the Harley Sportster (engine & trans share a common housing) both are decent bikes on pavement. They're not so good on sand so you'll want something different for beach races (it's doable but you'll cuss). Once you get ahold of either of these they'll start to show up. If you take a gangwar against the AOD they'll be easy to get & are great for Alderney City, Bohan Steps, Bohan Strip, NE Alderney, Schottler Station & Tudor Docks races. Bati Custom - Same bike as the Bati 800 but w/ a pro racing paintjob. Have seen them for Al Dente, Redwood, Sprunk & Texxon Oil. Almost as fast as the Double T, but more stable & better handling. Will completely dominate any race on pavement. Double T Custom - Feels like the basic Double T, just has a nice custom paintjob. Either version is a little squirrely but fast & has insane acceleration in Races. Finish mission "Shifting Weight" & you'll find a Custom near the wrecked cop car. Nightblade & Wolfsbane - Both "classic" or "retro" Harleys (resembles the Freeway), they're great for cruising & hold their own in races You randomly grab these for Angus doing "Export" bikes. You have a chance to grab them when you help Random character Malcom. After the firefight (fairly easy) there are several of each sitting in the area. You can get one of each by "leap frogging" to Playboy X's parking spot. Get on one & drive it 50 feet, then get the other & drive 50 feet past the first one. As long as you don't go too far from the last bike you can do this to get both to a parking spot. Wayfarer - At first glance it looks like an Angle or Deamon but it's what bikers call a "Big Twin" (engine & trans are separate). The only time I've seen these are in "Liberty City Choppers" where you steal several bikes w/ Jim. You could try leap frogging but the easiest way to get one is to fail the mission & just take one to your parking spot. Random characters: There's three that I've found, Dave Grossman, Malcom (twice) & Brian (depends on choice) Dave Grossman - Find Dave outside the Lawyer's office where Niko had to kill the lawyer. Someone got something on him & he needs you to "convince" them to leave it alone. Your Trusty Hexer spawns & you chase down the target in his sports car t scare him. A clip or two from your SMG gets him to pull over & a cutscene shows you making your point. Malcom (1) - Find him near the Pay 'n Spray in North Algonquin, he has a breakdown. You talk to him & his homie Desean calls for help after being shot in a race. Follow Malc to the shootout, at the lockup where Niko & Packie delivered a stolen truck for Ray. Take out a dozen or so lightly armed guys & find Nightblades & Wolfsbanes & pick up any money they drop.. Malcom (2) - Find him near the first place he showed up & do a quick race to complete. Brian - In "Bad Standing" you go to take him out. You get the option to spare him & if so he shows up a couple blocks SE of the club house. He was supposed to leave town but didn't & now he promises to leave just as soon as he "helps you save the club". Pick your favorite weapon & follow him on a bike to a courtyard in North Algonquin. He leads you to an ambush (SURPRISE!). He takes off on foot up some stairs while 6 or 7 guys open up on you. When you pull into the court yard, pull left & get cover behind the big car. Suggest the assault rifle & take out Brian first, otherwise he can escape & cause you to fail the mission. Once Brian's down, finish of his henchmen & pick up any money they drop ($500 or so?).

Sincere condolences to you both. The best thing I can offer is that you eventually move on so hang in, every day it hurts a little less. I know what you mean about speaking at a funeral for someone close, I spoke at my father's funeral. Somehow I kept it together & got through it, but I was lousy company the next few days.

Do you have pics of the other bikes? Sometimes they're parked, but they're easy picking from gangwars w/ the AOD. Good for most of the races except "....Beach" races. Great for Bohan Strip, Shlottler Station & Tudor Docks.

Completed #70 earlier tonight, no further rewards above #50. There should be a decent achievement getting to 50, it's a bitch. If you walk out of the club house & go west to the intersection, look south for a 13 story apartment block (I think you pick up one of Jim's first missions there). Keep track of that building, it has a PSG sniper rifle on the roof you can get w/ a heli from the Alderney City Helipad. There's also a regular Sniper on top of a skinny tower on the north end of Algonquin for more ammo. So far the enemy gangs have yet to be armed w/ a sniper but AKs & grenades become more common. As you get into the higher number gangwars, you'll find the Sniper useful to pick off enemies from a safe distance. In "enemy hanging out" expect at least a dozen more people & they get aggressive. Hit the main group & run, drawing the reinforcements away & lead them through narrow alleys to catch them. It's also a good idea to just forgo the street sweeper for the advantage of the sawed off from your bike. Once they're spread out take them out a few at a time & refill ammo, armor & health when possible.

If AIG went into bankruptcy in the first place, investigations may have legal reasons to disqualify the bonuses & avoided the whole mess in the first place. What about the real perpetrators? Geitner, the (tax cheat) treasury secretary who authorized the bonuses in the original AIG bailout? Polosi, the Speaker of the House who threw together the nearly 1200 page Stimulus bill containing protection of the bonuses? Dodd, the elected representative who added the amendment specifically guaranteeing these bonuses? Then there's Obama who made a promise to "go through every bill, line by line"? If he kept that promise he could have vetoed that provision. Now these same perpetrators pass a 90% tax on the bonuses trying to cover up their own screw-up when they gave them out in the first place. What happens when they decide you haven't paid your fair share?

If you're into bikes, it's a "must have". Decent story & plenty of action, especially in the gangwars. The downside is that it's only 23 or so missions, not counting races & gangwars. The upside is that if you like GTA4, you'll probably like TLAD. Speaking of races, if you're having trouble getting the "Get Good Wood" achievement, there's a trick. You hit "X" or "B" to swing the bat left or right respectively during a race. Holding either button will charge your swing & that's the trick to knocking other riders off. Sounds obvious, but if they don't tell you it might take awhile to figure out. Note on savehouses - You only get two but all five of Niko's parking spots work so you can stash vehicles all over the city (7 spots X 2 vehicles per spot) .

Prefer the Innovation but the Hexer was a pleasant surprise & on a straightaway it moves.

By "Piggsy", are you referring to some weird pig faced guy? That one probably came from Scarface, he was a Cuban in the clown (literally clown) in the shootout at the Babylon Club & occasionally shows up in the trailer court. Just for reference. Good, that's what "they" want you to think. You're safe from Mike Toreno for now. I know, not helping. Just thought you could use a little levity.

It's been a while & he changed his hair color, but I'm pretty sure I saw him riding on the back of this guy's bike. http://www.geocities.com/mighty_wez/Wez.html What's his mom wearin'? Aw come on girls, you all love me for being an old school dinosaur.

Got a link in English for booth of those? Yes, it did make my day.

You play an American Biker, who refers to your sport bikes as "hair dryers" & doesn't care much for rice rockets. New sport bikes include - Innovation As for cars, there's -

I'll start adding my notes on TLAD here as I compile them. Feel free to copy & print these off There's a few good rewards to be had, bikes & weapons at your disposal, several bikes & weapons will spawn at your active club houses, bikes can be had by calling Clay & weapons from Jim. Terry can sell you weapons from his van (similar to Little Jacob) as they become available in the game. Bati 800 - Deliver 10 bikes to Angus, it's parked at the club house & available from Clay. Personal choice for best Sport bike. Diablous - Parked at clubhouse initially, Brian's bike parked in save spot & after "Angels in America" call Clay. Double T - Call Clay after "On the Pipe" Hakachu (spelling?) - Big dog of the sport bikes, this Ninja bike is your reward for completing 12 Races. Hellfury - Call Clay after "Action/Reaction" Hexer - Johnny's bike, frequently given to you in missions & parked by the club house when you load your game. Lycan - Call Clay, Jim or Terry for any activity & find one near where you meet them. Innovation - Find all 50 seagulls & this bad animal is parked at your club house or call Clay. Personal choice for best bike in game. Revanent - Billy's bike in your save spot. Call Clay for one after "This Shit's Cursed". Zombie - Call Clay after you complete "Liberty City Choppers". Jim rides a black one & they can be found after gangwars. Climbs stairs easily & does a lot better on beaches than you would think. Best Chopper bike, I think I'm going to build one. ------------------------------------------------------- Weapons: Call Jim for free weapons, found on the second floor of the main club house next to the pool table & usually w/ full ammo, except for pipe bombs. Initially he has the Micro SMG (1200 rounds), Pistol (1500 rounds) & Sawed Off Shotgun (160 rounds). Gangwar weapons are found in a small back room on the first floor of the club next to the TV. 9MM Auto Pistol - Complete 20 gangwars for 1 w/ 30 rounds or call Jim after "Bad Cop Drop". Carbine Assault Rifle (M4) Complete 30 gangwars & find one at the club house w/ 30 rounds. Grenade Launcher - Billy gives you one one w/ 15 rounds for "Action/Reaction, at club after 50 gangwars. Stubbs replaces it w/ an RPG for "Politics". Sawed Off Shotgun - For the first time in any GTA I've played (all 3rd person) you start w/ a weapon, this bad animal & 100 rounds of ammo. Hang onto it, it's the only shotgun you can use from your bike & it's a car killer (I've taken out Linerunners w/ 2 shots). Call Jim for a full one, get one w/ 16 rounds for completing 10 gangwars. Street sweeper - Elizabeta gives you one for "Heavy Toll" & it's at the club house after completing 40 gangwars. -------------------------------------------------- Gangwar tactics: When you drive into the marker you have to be on a bike, but that doesn't mean you have to stay on it. You'll have Clay, Jim & Terry riding w/ you, each has a prospect riding along & combined they have the IQ of an igneous rock. Don't even bother trying to keep them alive, they'll only get you killed. Know where you can get ammo & have it fully stocked! Same for health & armor. You are not restricted to staying in an immediate area, take advantage of this to get health & armor when low. As you complete gangwars they get progressively harder. The AIs get sneaky, find alleys, chase & try to outflank you. Their numbers increase & they call in backup, usually slipping in behind you in a firefight. Once you complete a gangwar any warrant you have is cleared, don't agitate the cops if you don't have to. There are 3 types: Enemy escorting vehicle - Have a Sawed Off for this & ignore the escorts, let the brothers worry about them. Just concentrate on the target vehicle & hammer it w/ the sawed off, a few well places shots will take it out quickly. As soon as you see flames back off. When it blows, pick up an extra $1000 or so dropped from the dead vehicle. An RPG is good if the target vehicle gets stuck. Enemy hanging out - They're concentrated in one area, you just need to go get them. Take the Street Sweeper if you have one & the Carbine Assault Rifle. Most of these guys are already there but a few reinforcements will show up. Use cover & snipe them w/ the M4 (press down on right stick to zoom while aiming), go for headshots but watch your back. Catch a few hiding behind a car & you can clear them quickly w/ a Grenade or Pipe Bomb Enemy on the move - This is the one that will most likely get you, especially above #30. Carbine Assault & Street Sweeper are preferred w/ Pipe Bombs or Grenades. Catch up to their convoy & fire a few shots, then get the hell out of there, they will chase you & have somewhere in mind where you can lead them. My favorite spot is an alley where Niko had to blow up some vans, it has an AK w/ 80 rounds (if you have the M4 you can pick up ammo every minute or so, just don't switch weapons) full health & if you go through a red door at the end you go up to the roof for armor & a great sniping point for those that make it in & there's only one way in through a nice choke point. If you spend a little time scouting you can find similar areas around the city. They spread out enough that you can take them out a few at a time & get health (jump in an ambulance for a quick 50%) & armor. I didn't catch what the first gangwar paid, but it increases as you go & by the time you get to 35 or so they pay about $10,000 or so. You receive weapons at the main clubhouse next to the TV & 2nd clubhouse upstairs as follows - 10 gangwars = Sawed Off Shotgun & 16 rounds. 20 gangwars = 9MM Auto Pistol & 30 rounds 30 gangwars = M4 & 30 rounds. 40 gangwars = Street Sweeper & 30(?) rounds. 50 gangwars = Grenade Launcher & 4 rounds. Will add more as I complete more gangwars.

Gangwars in TLAD. So I'm on gangwar 35 or so (currently at 51, rewards keep coming every 10) & it's Mafia at large in Alderney. I catch up to them near Honkers & the firefight's on. By now I've come to realize the new gang members are just cannon fodder & not worth protecting, they just run into the middle of a hairball & die stupidly. I also figure out the Mafia (& Jamaicans) mindlessly throw around grenades. Okay, I find a nice safe spot to take caver behind a guardrail where I can't be outflanked & there's a choke point enemies have to come through. Easy win. NOT!!! One of my pet retards pulls his bike right up to a Mafia car & starts unloading his shotgun into the car trying to hit the guy hiding behind it & blows up the car in the process. His bike (now on fire) is thrown into the air & lands, of all places, ON ME. So now I'm on fire (which in itself is no big because my armor was in good shape & took all the damage) & thanks to R*'s stupid assed ragdoll physics I now have to go through something like 10 seconds of a stupid-assed "on fire" animation. Take a wild guess what happened just as soon as the animation ended. That's right, BOOM!!! The bike exploded right next to me. See Urbanoutlaw. See Urbanoutlaw fly. Fly Urbanoutlaw, Fly! Oh look, my corpse is on fire again. Gangwar lost = Mission failed.

No prob. Easy sniper rifle early in game - As soon as you get access to the police computer (in cop cars), start doing vigilante work, look for criminals on foot (or similar). After a few missions you start getting perps w/ better weapons. WATCH OUT FOR GRENADES!!! One of the better weapons is a sniper rifle.

If you have the Combat Sniper, you'll have to press the LEFT BUMPER to switch. The "donk" sound is receiving the ammo from the rifle.

Keep that bullet in your pocket Barney - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barney_Fife Just noticed a typo in my earlier post, the SHO had a 3.0, not 3.6. Sorry for the dyslexic hands. A think the SHO parts were Ford, just designed by Yamaha Racing. Either way, they move.

A certain black '73 XB comes to mind, but that's semantics. Up here it's a '72 Galaxie (not that mini-van you got stuck w/, a real Galaxie). Mine is a green 2-door w/ a 351C, pretty basic but has potential.

Free demos are great, especially when you're looking at a $60 (US) game. It could save you from wasting it on something that you hate & point you to something you'll love. There's also some free content for various games. Crackdown, PGR, Saint's Row & Testdrive Unlimited all have free stuff. You should be able to get a free "silver" account that gets you access to that & basic messaging.

As I recall, the discount from the GF is a short time deal about 1 day in game). I had just enough time to buy everything from Persues & Modo. Knock over a few armored cars & do some street racing so you have plenty of cash.

Short version for the shortbus crew: If you don't want people to know about something embarrassing about you, DON'T POST IT ON THE NET!!! (insert tricycle picture here)

That's okay, they get tired of pissing you off & wander into GTA4 or Saint's Row.

Now when it comes out, someone needs to rip the script & make a conversion for GTA4 or SA. Can tell already this won't work for me on a small format. I just couldn't get into the topdown GTAs I can always hope for one last GTA on the PS2 (not holding my breath).

Are they over 18 & can they cook?

I do, you've been busy. Are you making similar script mods for San Andreas?

1) Wrong forum, you want GTASA MODDING. This one's for general discussion of the game. 2) It can be done but it's problematic & there's copyright issues. For more read this - http://www.thegtaplace.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=6666 3) Read the rules & take a minute to look around to get the layout of the forum. Welcome & enjoy.