Pandora Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 im atheist was Christan but i stopped believing for holes in the god threroy just a question that may or may not have anything to do with this topic but why do we buiry people in a six foot hole in the ground that is closer to Satan than god? maybe people can awnser me. 1- It's not a theory 2- Satan is in the ground? What made you come up with that? Asume there God and Satan exist. I can't recall any part of the bible saying that Satan is inside our planet (y'know, people thought the world was flat in those days, so down would still be in the heavens or as we call it: outer space). Where do you think Hell is(assuming you believed in Hell)? How would down be considered up if the Earth was flat??? May I ask how you ever came to the conclusion that hell is in the same world as we live in? Indeed, it does say decend (cause that's the translation from hebrew to greek to latin to english.. yeah). But that was written down by humans who in those days still believed that the earth was flat and that our flat world had a roof above which there was water. The Olympic myths and stuff actually bare quite some resemblance to the Christian religion (old testament). Dis ruled the underworld. In Christianity it's satan. Zeus was the god of the 'living world' and about the same can be said for Christianity. But then one can be saved and enter heaven. Of course, you can't compare everything. But greek mythology does have a story that looks quite a lot like adam and eve in Genesis. tl;dr decending to hell has just been translaten that way. Hell is (IMO) in another world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrLlamaLlama Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 Osiris. if u know why was Jesus Born in a cave I'm far from religious, and even I know that's not what Catholicism teaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 God gave us freewill we are free to do what we want and sometimes people forget to do the right thing This is the most bullshit comment I've heard all day. And I've only just woken up, so there's plenty of time for more. You have to look deeper than just the idea of God granting us free will. We have free will in an environment where there are no clear differences between good and evil. Humans have no inherent concept of right and wrong, and God himself sure hasn't made himself present to lead the way. So therefore, if our choices lead us down the "wrong path" in life, then God has no right to bitch about it. God is the one who placed us in this situation. That's what I wanted to say earlier but I lack of brains. Thanks osiris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas. Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 dont know if u know why was Jesus Born in a cave because the emperor wanted to know the population and said that everyone should be registered and Jesus wasnt an exception Jesus was born in a stable in Bethlehem, Nazareth I have seen the play, been forced to read the book and it has been drilled into my head. I don't care if there is a god out there any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JROCK Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 Actually didnt said stable i said cave and thats the truth and second and if god never guided us why do the 10 laws exist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 Actually didnt said stable i said cave and thats the truth and second and if god never guided us why do the 10 laws exist What 10 laws? (os dez mandamentos?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JROCK Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 yeah didnt know how to say it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 If I know the story right, God created those right? Well, it may be a human invention... No proof He wrote them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas. Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 Commandments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM™ Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 Actually didnt said stable i said cave and thats the truth and second and if god never guided us why do the 10 laws exist Hows that the truth? I really don't know what I should believe in... I've been raised to believe in god, but I have never felt it helped me out. My grandparents believe in god and try to encourage most of my family to believe, but some of us have different views on our beliefs. For me though, I don't know what to believe in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deji Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 No... I dont have a religion. My view is: "Fuck em all!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JROCK Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 You Have the right to not believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gycu Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 I really can't believe on how many Atheists are on these forums ... I do believe in God, I don't go to Church very often for some stupid reasons but I do believe in Him ... I think the archives from Vatican held all the answers to our religious questions, except for one, does God exist? Well I think it exists, and I pitty those who don't believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deji Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 Pity? Interesting. If god does exist and is how we think he is then he'll forgive. It's not like he gives us any true solid signs and if he does exist then he made us 'Seeing is believing' type people so he will probably just forgive . So my view is to just live life and have fun. Coz not doing is a sin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JROCK Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 thats why u need to have faith and its not like forgive and forget u need to show regret Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connor Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 Maybe this is a big lie, created to keep us all from doing bad, to maintain that humans stay sane for a long time, although not all of us are that gullible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JROCK Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 Well it was a time that i thought that church only exists to give conscience to people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deji Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 Remember that religion was originally used to get the people to do what the churches and preists wanted them to. IDK if anyone knows where it came from b4 then.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hansui Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 Remember that religion was originally used to get the people to do what the churches and preists wanted them to. IDK if anyone knows where it came from b4 then.... lol, where did you heard that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 ^^^^^^^^ Well, in some way it was, not all of it but yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osiris. Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 Deji, perhaps you weren't aware of this, but religion has existed far longer than churches and priesthood has. And even still, churches and other such places of worship existed for many years before the introduction of ecclesiastical authority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hansui Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 in fact first churches were only established around 4th century, 300 hundred years after Christianity was established, before that masses were celebrated in catacombs or private houses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JROCK Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 I have to say that church exists also to give moral obligations (The feeling of guilt) basically it exists to give conscience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JROCK Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 The church isnt perfect stop assuming that it is instead of criticizing u should try to improve it (critics are good if ur gonna do something about what is wrong) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 I don't think anyone assumed the Church is perfect so what are you talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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